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Myanmar/ Burma

I am a little surprised that there are no threads on the situation in Myanmar.

How do people feel about it?

As I have been based in Yangon for the better part of a year, I am happy to answer any questions, whether it be on travel or other matters such as genocide....
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I am a little surprised that there are no threads on the situation in Myanmar.

That's because there are no Rohingya people trying to get into Europe.

If there were, Kriss Kross and Loz1928 would be soon on to it.
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Re: Myanmar/ Burma

Trickier for folk to blame the west for Myanmar so less political capital to be made?
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I am a little surprised that there are no threads on the situation in Myanmar.

How do people feel about it?
What situation?

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Old 17.04.2018, 15:05
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What situation?

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Multiple situations....

Rohinga's, IDP's, military run state, transition into the western world, the beautiful people, the sensational food....
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These aren't really current events. The "situation" has been going on for a while now.
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Multiple situations....

Rohinga's, IDP's, military run state, transition into the western world, the beautiful people, the sensational food....
There's been a fair bit of stuff on BBC Radio 4.
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Re: Myanmar/ Burma

I have friends as well as former colleagues from Yangon (because they have a large expat community in Singapore). Great folks, love the food - especially the rhakine style, the region of the rohyngia.


Simply put do I know that I dont know a lot about a very complex multiethnic country... which has been held together by essentially a fascist police state. Once the absolute power of the army is gone am I afraid will we see way more than "just" the one minority getting killed. Its a bit like a south east asian Yugoslavia waiting to happen. But all the world does is believe that one lady could fix it and when she turns out to not be the new Mandela is everyone blaming her instead.
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Re: Myanmar/ Burma

Myanmar/Burma will pay no heed to any howling over the Rohingya. People in the West don't seem to get it; it's only the West who feel any need to be seen as nice or to apologise for their culture/success. Those in the far East don't see themselves as a blank canvas for multiculti dreams and playing the victim card there has zero value.

There's zero strategic value in interfering in the region so the rest of the world will tut and shrug whilst the ethnic cleansing takes place without lifting a finger to intervene.
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Those in the far East don't see themselves as a blank canvas for multiculti dreams and playing the victim card there has zero value.

There's zero strategic value in interfering in the region so the rest of the world will tut and shrug whilst the ethnic cleansing takes place without lifting a finger to intervene.


1. Multiculti is a reality in Myanmar. The name was changed by them from Burma to underline that they have more ethnicities than only burmese.


2. While all religious reasoning is usually stupid is this case both extreme and insane - I cannot get my head around how somebody can at the same time claim to be a religious buddhist and at the same time beat up their neighbours. A religion cannot technically get more pacifist than Buddhism... but they still go out and murder...


3. I have to disappoint you, but Burma has a very high strategic value for China. They already prettz much paid for a new highway across the country so they can connect Yunnan with the Indian Ocean (hoping to develop that pretty backward part of China in the process...). Long story short - we might not care about it much, but both India as well as China do have an interest there...
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Re: Myanmar/ Burma

No oil?
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No oil?
They have. Coal, oil and gas... As well as pretty much everything else. Bizarre how they can be the poor country in the region...

"A wide range of useful minerals are naturally present in the country, with rich deposits of tungsten, tin ,zinc, silver, copper, lead, antimony and industrial minerals. Fossils fuels coals, petroleum and natural gas are also abundant. Myanmar is also a world leader in producing gemstones, including jade, diamonds, rubies and sapphires."
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Re: Myanmar/ Burma

Is it on its way to be transformed into another tourist resort yet? Disney?

How's the food, anyways?




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Old 17.04.2018, 15:55
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How's the food, anyways?
A bit like the country geographically - half way between Thai and Indian cuisine. Looks like curry, but not thick or creamy. Loads of rice. A lot of noodle soups. Anything saying "Rhakine" in the name is deadly spicy... but at the same time totally awesome.
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1. Multiculti is a reality in Myanmar. The name was changed by them from Burma to underline that they have more ethnicities than only burmese.
Doesn't that kind of contradict this though?

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Once the absolute power of the army is gone am I afraid will we see way more than "just" the one minority getting killed. Its a bit like a south east asian Yugoslavia waiting to happen. But all the world does is believe that one lady could fix it and when she turns out to not be the new Mandela is everyone blaming her instead.
Yes they live together happily under an iron fist, but remove that and humans will revert to type.

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3. I have to disappoint you, but Burma has a very high strategic value for China. They already prettz much paid for a new highway across the country so they can connect Yunnan with the Indian Ocean (hoping to develop that pretty backward part of China in the process...). Long story short - we might not care about it much, but both India as well as China do have an interest there...
Perhaps for for China and India. I could be wrong, but I don't see them riding to the rescue of the Rohingya in an Operation Enduring Freedom type exercise just to get a foothold in the region anytime soon.
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Re: Myanmar/ Burma

Pulitzer price went to a Reuters crew photographing the Rohyngia genocide (probably NSFW): http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/2018...tlingskrise-fs
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Hi OP!
What is you personal take on the Rhohingya?
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What is you personal take on the Rhohingya?
I shall begin with this one as it is what most people question about. Yes, it is abominable, and yes, it is genocide.

What is even more shocking is that the mostly beautiful people of Myanmar accept this. They have been conditioned for generations to not think differently.

As a white woman, I have never experienced any "disrespect", nor seen the racism first hand.

I have however spent my weekends teaching children of different ages, and, the method of teaching is insane. They are not taught to think. It is repetition, repetition and then some more.

This problem will take at least two more generations to solve.

What do I think?

Holy shit, I can't believe it is going on in this country I have fallen so deeply in love with.

What could the solution be?

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1. Multiculti is a reality in Myanmar. The name was changed by them from Burma to underline that they have more ethnicities than only burmese.
Slightly incorrect. "Bama" or "Burmese" is an ethnicity. Whether people say Burma or Myanmar depends on their age, class, ethnicity, and of course religion. The people of Burmese ethnicity (big round eyes, and on the women long hair) do not accept others as "Burmese".


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2. While all religious reasoning is usually stupid is this case both extreme and insane - I cannot get my head around how somebody can at the same time claim to be a religious buddhist and at the same time beat up their neighbours. A religion cannot technically get more pacifist than Buddhism... but they still go out and murder...
Meh, that is too broad of a statement. Much of the trouble is extremists and military. Most of the Buddhists are caring and calm.


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3. I have to disappoint you, but Burma has a very high strategic value for China. They already pretty much paid for a new highway across the country so they can connect Yunnan with the Indian Ocean (hoping to develop that pretty backward part of China in the process...). Long story short - we might not care about it much, but both India as well as China do have an interest there...
Totally true. There is a port project which is underway (funnily enough in Rakhine state) which when the highway is built will save 5000km from going around the Strait of Malacca meaning China and India can trade.

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Is it on its way to be transformed into another tourist resort yet? Disney?

How's the food, anyways?




We should have an EF meet up there.
It is not a "tourist resort" yet. The country is slowly opening up.

Bagan, Inle Lake, Mandalay and Yangon have always been fine for tourists, and the majority of people visiting only go to these places.

The main place in danger is the south, as it is "untouched" and tourists have only been able to visit for a few years. On the Dawei Peninsula, there is only one place that tourists are permitted to stay and it takes a few hours to get there on a motorbike.

EF meet up? I don't know many people here anymore, but all welcome to contact me if they are thinking of going.

Also, the food is awesome and cheap. My favourite is the Muslim fare.
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2. While all religious reasoning is usually stupid is this case both extreme and insane - I cannot get my head around how somebody can at the same time claim to be a religious buddhist and at the same time beat up their neighbours. A religion cannot technically get more pacifist than Buddhism... but they still go out and murder...

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Because the problem is not (any) religion, its humans. And when it comes to wanting more power, all humans are the same.


Humans are the ones who twist religion to suit their own bloodthirst. Its been the same way throughout history, and is still so.


Every major religion on earth teaches basically the same thing: be nice to people.
Every religious conflict in history has at its heart the same thing: people who want more power.
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I am a little surprised that there are no threads on the situation in Myanmar.

How do people feel about it?

As I have been based in Yangon for the better part of a year, I am happy to answer any questions, whether it be on travel or other matters such as genocide....
Hi Natasha, long time no see. I am based in Singapore but am here now for holidays. What are you doing exactly in Myanmar? I have a few friends based there too, one local married to an American. Have been meaning to visit but have not made it so far.
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