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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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Nah, can't be, can it? That would mean the Untersuchungshaft (being imprisoned during investigation and court proceedings) preempt the actual verdict.
So he can walk out a free man at his sentencing? Hahaha, love the liberal justice system....
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Old 13.06.2018, 15:40
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Re: Non EU cohabitation VISA - New Relationship, Girl Pregnant

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death penalty is over in seconds, these kind of people live in constant fear the whole time they are inside, much much worse
Fear of whom? The other convicts? I think they probably compare notes and play scrabble. Don't think Belgium prisons have a real gang problem either.

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Old 13.06.2018, 17:35
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Re: Non EU cohabitation VISA - New Relationship, Girl Pregnant

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You don't keep a rabid animal, put it down asap. That poor woman will probably live in fear for the rest of her life.
Of course we always have to talk about extremes. No, a real conviction (4 years for rape is nothing, really) without any possibility of probation on good behaviour would be sufficient. Plus cutting off whatever rights re.paternity of the poor child he could get these days.
But excessive mediatization of such cases can make people say or agree with everything.
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Old 13.06.2018, 17:46
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

I wonder what is shocking forum members more? the crime or the demographic and legal status of the perpetrator? heinous crimes are being committed every day and the criminals are, it seems particularly regarding rape and sexual assault not punished severely enough. I just wonder why this story was pulled into a thread? and for what purpose? That we could all say how horrifying it is! As horrifying as those dispicable central Europeans and Americans with a penchant to locking up their offspring in basements and torturing them! Point being this thread seems to be a case of bad illegals this is what they’ll do to stay in!
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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I wonder what is shocking forum members more? the crime or the demographic and legal status of the perpetrator? !
Lol, as if you are new on this forum. Apparently everything can be subject to discussion and as long as people stay civil and within some limits....
But yeah, it amazes me too how shocked or outraged folks are, especially at immigrant crimes. As if it never happened before, or it never happened before in their countries etc etc etc. Right.

Anyways, as long as you will not be mobbed and trashed because you pointed this out, I would say it is still OK.
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Old 13.06.2018, 18:16
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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I wonder what is shocking forum members more? the crime or the demographic and legal status of the perpetrator?
I think it's a combination of things. Rape and attempted murder are bad enough. This crime was committed against a minor, and a disabled one at that. Even in criminal circles, crimes against children are considered extra vile.

Then you add in the legal status (or illegal if you wish to call it that) of the perpetrator. Refugees are (supposedly) fleeing for their own lives and well-being, so the idea he would attack an innocent child so violently makes it extra heinous. It's a pretty hollow claim to say you fear for your own life and need asylum when you rape and nearly murder an innocent child.
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Old 13.06.2018, 18:57
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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This crime was committed against a minor
19 is not a minor.

(unless one considers the mental age)

Anyway, as to why it made it to the thread was because of the fact that he wanted to legitimize his presence by impregnating her and the original thread was about does parenting a child give you residency rights.

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Old 13.06.2018, 19:06
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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19 is not a minor.

(unless one considers the mental age)
Thanks, I mis-read. I thought I saw the age as 15. It's been one of those days.
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Old 13.06.2018, 19:34
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Re: Non EU cohabitation VISA - New Relationship, Girl Pregnant

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Fear of whom? The other convicts? I think they probably compare notes and play scrabble. Don't think Belgium prisons have a real gang problem either.
Belgian prisons have a lot of problems, as European prisons go they are amongst the worst.
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Old 13.06.2018, 21:46
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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Nah, can't be, can it? That would mean the Untersuchungshaft (being imprisoned during investigation and court proceedings) preempt the actual verdict.
Is that the civilised thing of locking people up on bail, and then if they're convicted deducting the time on bail from their sentence.

I do find the logic of these stories somewhat odd. Immigrant/refugee/asylum seeker commits heinous crime, therefore immigrants/refugees/asylum seekers/economic migrants must be prevented from entering the country.
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Old 13.06.2018, 22:58
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Nah, can't be, can it? That would mean the Untersuchungshaft (being imprisoned during investigation and court proceedings) preempt the actual verdict.
Happens a lot in Switzerland, you'd be surprised. My friend is a state's attorney and tells me horror stories all the time. It can easily take 2, 3 years for a case to be finalized and voilà, prison time over and they walk free immediately.

If the Belgian system is comparable then yes, there's a good chance he'll walk tomorrow.
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Old 14.06.2018, 01:50
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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So he can walk out a free man at his sentencing? Hahaha, love the liberal justice system....
Not sure, for instance at least in Germany Untersuchungshaft is not part of the sentence, it´t one of the little quirks in the system that you can keep a person in U-haft more or less indefinitely before they start their actual sentence.
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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Nah, can't be, can it? That would mean the Untersuchungshaft (being imprisoned during investigation and court proceedings) preempt the actual verdict.
Presumably the rapist will be deported at the end of his sentence, so perhaps this is the Belgian judicial system's way of recognising the crime, but not being willing to incur any additional cost to the public purse: they've investigated, found him guilty, and now will get rid of him from their country.

Sounds reasonable to me, except that of course now the potential/probable future problem will be exported to some other country, presumably outside the Schengen area.
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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The courts can order that the Untersuchungshaft is disregarded but that's the exception rather than the rule.

See German StGB §51.
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Is that the civilised thing of locking people up on bail, and then if they're convicted deducting the time on bail from their sentence.
Generally yes.
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Re: Thread Split: Refugee in Belgium jailed after raping a disabled girl

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I do find the logic of these stories somewhat odd. Immigrant/refugee/asylum seeker commits heinous crime, therefore immigrants/refugees/asylum seekers/economic migrants must be prevented from entering the country.
The problem is illegal immigrants (people who have no right to asylum) not being removed from the country.
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