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Re: Non EU cohabitation VISA - New Relationship, Girl Pregnant

MOD NOTE: These posts have been split from this thread. The reason for the split is twofold: 1) The original thread is about a consensual relationship between two adults, whereas this story is not about consent. 2) The original thread relates to the ability to obtain a residence permit for Switzerland, whereas this one is not related to Switzerland.

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What I read in the Belgium news today was at least something that even got me shocked even tho I know it happens.

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What I read in the Belgium news today was at least something that even got me shocked even tho I know it happens.
Which part do you mean, please?
Could you provide a link, please?
P.S. And yes, I ask this after having looked around in the Belgian media for a while, so I think I'm missing the part to which you are referring. Thanks.

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Re: Non EU cohabitation VISA - New Relationship, Girl Pregnant

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Which part do you mean, please?
Could you provide a link, please?
P.S. And yes, I ask this after having looked around in the Belgian media for a while, so I think I'm missing the part to which you are referring. Thanks.
Dutch link: https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/illegaa...aken~a17a4575/

In short: Illegal already expelled 30yr old immigrant who was forbidden to be in the country returns to Belgium, takes a mentally handicapped 19yr girl (mental age 7 or 8, and he was aware of the handicap) to a squatted building and rapes her violently for 3 days and prohibited her from taking anti pregnancy measurements in an attempt to make her pregnant since he thought it would give him better chances of obtaining a Belgium permit. He was sentenced to 4 yrs in a Belgium prison.
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Dutch link: https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/illegaa...aken~a17a4575/

In short: Illegal already expelled 30yr old immigrant who was forbidden to be in the country returns to Belgium, takes a mentally handicapped 19yr girl (mental age 7 or 8, and he was aware of the handicap) to a squatted building and rapes her violently for 3 days and prohibited her from taking anti pregnancy measurements in an attempt to make her pregnant since he thought it would give him better chances of obtaining a Belgium permit. He was sentenced to 4 yrs in a Belgium prison.
Only 4 years! He should be hung, drawn and quartered for that.
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Only 4 years! He should be hung, drawn and quartered for that.
I'm sure his fellow prisoners will keep him on his toes
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Sorry, but not worth the expense of keeping him in prison to start with. Death penalty needed.
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Re: Non EU cohabitation VISA - New Relationship, Girl Pregnant

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Sorry, but not worth the expense of keeping him in prison to start with. Death penalty needed.
Agreed ! Wow this is just sick
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Sorry, but not worth the expense of keeping him in prison to start with. Death penalty needed.
death penalty is over in seconds, these kind of people live in constant fear the whole time they are inside, much much worse
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You don't keep a rabid animal, put it down asap. That poor woman will probably live in fear for the rest of her life.
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Re: Non EU cohabitation VISA - New Relationship, Girl Pregnant

In French:

http://www.dhnet.be/actu/faits/il-vi...32a2968864d642

And English:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...person_to_get/

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Re: Non EU cohabitation VISA - New Relationship, Girl Pregnant

Not commenting on the crime - the accusation for his reasons does not even make sense (unless he too is mentally disabled).
Having fathered a child by rape doesn't get anyone residence permit anywhere in the world. Normally - here in Switzerland at least - the criminal is being deported and banned from reentry after the prison term.
Not to mention that I doubt any guy obtains paternity rights over a child under such circumstances (correct me if I'm wrong).

The crime was repulsive, the story made up around it is the signs of our times.
<<According to the girl's mother, the man raped her for the purpose of getting her pregnant to regularize her stay.>>

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Re: Non EU cohabitation VISA - New Relationship, Girl Pregnant

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I doubt any guy obtains paternity rights over a child under such circumstances (correct me if I'm wrong).
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/17/h...ner/index.html

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Not commenting on the crime - the accusation for his reasons does not even make sense (unless he too is mentally disabled).
Having fathered a child by rape doesn't get anyone residence permit anywhere in the world. Normally - here in Switzerland at least - the criminal is being deported and banned from reentry after the prison term.
Not to mention that I doubt any guy obtains paternity rights over a child under such circumstances (correct me if I'm wrong).

The crime was repulsive, the story made up around it is the signs of our times.
<<According to the girl's mother, the man raped her for the purpose of getting her pregnant to regularize her stay.>>

Before you groan, think about it.
And what about him preventing her from taking anti-conception, and him taking her along to a familycenter for a pregnancy test?

And it is not about how the system works, it is in this case all about how he thinks the system works. Perhaps he is from a society where it is normal for rape victims to marry their rapist (forced by family and/or social structures), and by doing so he would in his mind also avoid prosecution since such is even legally arranged that way in other countries, or just recently scrapped from the law (Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia and Morocco), sure rape is a special case, but how often do we see EF members being screwed or surprised when they find out that things here are legally different from their country and they just assumed it would be the same here since they thought it was the logical thing.

Given the facts that are known I see no reason to doubt the words of the mother.
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..Perhaps he is from a society where it is normal for rape victims to marry their rapist (forced by family and/or social structures),
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Not to mention that I doubt any guy obtains paternity rights over a child under such circumstances (correct me if I'm wrong).
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I think these situations are up to some court to decide. If he'll do his time in jail and afterwards plays the remorse card, offers a sob story and claims he's been reeducated......I doubt the human rights card will not be used. Heh, that's a complicated case and the brute instinctively sort of knew that. Who knows, but I certainly wouldn't be so sure.
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Why is story published only now, almost four years after the fact?
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Why is story published only now, almost four years after the fact?
Because he was only sentenced last week?

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Dutch link: https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/illegaa...aken~a17a4575/

In short: Illegal already expelled 30yr old immigrant who was forbidden to be in the country returns to Belgium, takes a mentally handicapped 19yr girl (mental age 7 or 8, and he was aware of the handicap) to a squatted building and rapes her violently for 3 days and prohibited her from taking anti pregnancy measurements in an attempt to make her pregnant since he thought it would give him better chances of obtaining a Belgium permit. He was sentenced to 4 yrs in a Belgium prison.
4 years only?! It would be a minimum of 25 years (up to 95 years) in the USA.
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Because he was only sentenced last week?

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Nah, can't be, can it? That would mean the Untersuchungshaft (being imprisoned during investigation and court proceedings) preempt the actual verdict.
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Nah, can't be, can it? That would mean the Untersuchungshaft (being imprisoned during investigation and court proceedings) preempt the actual verdict.
Welcome to Belgium.

Same for the Netherlands, where cases are often dropped because research took way to long.
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