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Re: The beginning of the end for the Social Media Giants?

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I think the FB type of social obligation and exoectation has become bothersome, uncool and parent-like.
It's the same generation that would find this forum or any forum like this horribly boring and would laugh their butts off at some people's way of expressing themselves or their ideas about world and life. I agree things are moving so fast for these generations.

FB is only a tool, nobody is forcing anyone to use it in more or different ways than they want to.

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I only follow a select few bands and airlines on there, mainly in the vain hope that Led Zepp will tour again.

In the last year, we've organised gig nights, film nights, surprise parties, transport to weddings, dog sitting, house sitting and emergency baby sitting (between friends) on there. I've booked hotels and restaurants. I've also employed a joiner, plasterer, decorator, electrician, landscape gardener, bricklayer, and plumber via PM after using the local 'Find Tradesmen' page and keeping an eye on their FB pages to see photos of their recent work and read customer reviews.

Facey B is going nowhere just yet.
Yep, totally agree. This is exactly what I meant.
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Old 30.07.2018, 11:23
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Snapchat seems to be all the craze amongst the younglings but I imagine monetising it is a lot more difficult than it was with Facebook.
I thought that was around 2014 or so...


- My generation used FB and made it one of the richest companies in the world.
- the next generation used instagramm, so facebook bought them up.
- the next one was digital native and more aware of the data collecting... so they chose tools that promised more privacy. I personally very much doubt these promises were delivered: The moment FB bought WhatsApp was it clear they will use the data. For years did they promise the opposite and by now we all got used to the idea that your WhatsApp data will be used for targeted advertisement. I chose carefully what I put on social media. In SMS with friends will I discuss much more where to go on vacation, what restaurant to book and a million more things that might be great for advertisers. I only use WhatsApp for groups now, the rest is back to SMS or iMessages.
I believe SnapChat even more had its day. The company admitted that you might not see them anymore, but that all data remains somewhere on their servers. So there is a data trove of the exact stuff you did not want companies to mine...


Bottom line: I think by now every teenager understands what privacy is and will not as easily post stupid things the way we did 15 years ago. They wont easily believe some new start up CEO either as they know that these promises only hold true till the company is bought by a big one... so instead of switching to another dozen platforms will they much more likely be more careful in the usage and target their audiences more carefully than kids in the past...
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Old 30.07.2018, 16:43
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Re: The beginning of the end for the Social Media Giants?

And this gets to the heart of the matter; most people don't understand what is at stake. The onion is getting peeled back about how social media can expose individuals and their habits. Throw in some sophisticated AI and over time, an amazingly thorough profile can be/will be/is being built about you. AI doesn't care about length of time and it never rests.

Orwell only wrote about the tip of the iceberg...

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I agree with you that most people don't care, but often it's because they fon't really understand what the stakes are. At the end of the day, giving off some of your personal data for may be worth it to you in one situation but not all and the point should be to make an informed decision rather than being 100% "in" or 100% "out".

I left FB during the winter (I think it was in March?) and I don't miss it at all. Admittedly I will lose touch with a few friends, but my real friends know how to reach me and I know how to reach them. It's not possible to maintain a meaningful relationship with more than a few people anyway, especially when you live far apart.

I do my groceries at Migros and I like the cash backs, I use them to buy training gear; Migros is welcome to harvest data on my cottage cheese and ready washed salad consumption. Same applies to Coop, I use their points to pay for cosmetics and wine and in exchange they know that I only buy their grapefruit Eco dishwashing liquid.

I used to fly a lot, being able to check in in the business class line was worth sharing my data with Air France in my opinion.

I'm on LinkedIn. Find it a bit hard not to, but not a big fan.

But I don't use cloud services, I don't participate in free games or answer free surveys, and I'm gradually leaving gmail for protonmail (using gmail for non-personal emails while I'm investigating my alternatives). My last "social" network that I would like to shed I WhatsApp, but I can't seem to get all my contacts over to Signal or Threema, so I gave up on that one; I just cut its access to my address book and pictures and I don't back-up on their cloud.

I try to be conscious about what I give and what I get back and not just hand in my data without a second thought. Hopefully awareness will grow now that the issue gets more media attention.
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Old 30.07.2018, 16:55
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Re: The beginning of the end for the Social Media Giants?

LOL - In what world do teenagers think about the future consequences of today's actions? While I do believe teens are much more savvy about technology, in general, until you start living with credit reports, mortgages and making a living, you can't really appreciate how valuable a commodity that your privacy might be.
I was almost 50 when I submitted my DNA for 23andMe. I may not live long enough to regret my decision, but if I were 20 today, knowing what I now know, I never would have submitted this.
I expect lots of unintended consequences to start showing up in the next few decades.
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I thought that was around 2014 or so...

- My generation used FB and made it one of the richest companies in the world.
- the next generation used instagramm, so facebook bought them up.
- the next one was digital native and more aware of the data collecting... so they chose tools that promised more privacy. I personally very much doubt these promises were delivered: The moment FB bought WhatsApp was it clear they will use the data. For years did they promise the opposite and by now we all got used to the idea that your WhatsApp data will be used for targeted advertisement. I chose carefully what I put on social media. In SMS with friends will I discuss much more where to go on vacation, what restaurant to book and a million more things that might be great for advertisers. I only use WhatsApp for groups now, the rest is back to SMS or iMessages.
I believe SnapChat even more had its day. The company admitted that you might not see them anymore, but that all data remains somewhere on their servers. So there is a data trove of the exact stuff you did not want companies to mine...


Bottom line: I think by now every teenager understands what privacy is and will not as easily post stupid things the way we did 15 years ago. They wont easily believe some new start up CEO either as they know that these promises only hold true till the company is bought by a big one... so instead of switching to another dozen platforms will they much more likely be more careful in the usage and target their audiences more carefully than kids in the past...
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Old 30.07.2018, 17:33
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I was almost 50 when I submitted my DNA for 23andMe. I may not live long enough to regret my decision, but if I were 20 today, knowing what I now know, I never would have submitted this.
I expect lots of unintended consequences to start showing up in the next few decades.
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The problem is not even only what you do, it's also what others around you do.
What if a direct relative submits their DNA?
What if a friend uploads photos of you on some social media platform? You'll be automatically tagged and recognized as well from that point on.
What if the people around you use phones which record audio 24/7?
And soon there will probably be glasses with video capture, too. But they won't call it video capture, they will say it is AR, apple glasses, whatever they find.
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Old 30.07.2018, 17:44
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Re: The beginning of the end for the Social Media Giants?

Yes, my brother was less than thrilled when he learned that our Mom and I were now recorded. His exact words were, "Well, I guess I can't commit a murder anymore..." This was a few days after this guy was caught.
As I mentioned, lots of unintended consequences on the horizon...

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The problem is not even only what you do, it's also what others around you do.
What if a direct relative submits their DNA?
What if a friend uploads photos of you on some social media platform? You'll be automatically tagged and recognized as well from that point on.
What if the people around you use phones which record audio 24/7?
And soon there will probably be glasses with video capture, too. But they won't call it video capture, they will say it is AR, apple glasses, whatever they find.
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What if a friend uploads photos of you on some social media platform? You'll be automatically tagged and recognized as well from that point on.
if you have an EU nationality, you can do a request about your data and the handling of it in terms of GDPR. would be interesting to see what comes out.
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if you have an EU nationality, you can do a request about your data and the handling of it in terms of GDPR. would be interesting to see what comes out.
Iím sure you can be any nationality to request data in terms of GDPR?
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Iím sure you can be any nationality to request data in terms of GDPR?
only if you would be an EU resident
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Old 30.07.2018, 19:43
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Re: The beginning of the end for the Social Media Giants?

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If Facebook would just stop pissing about with their algorithms, maybe fewer people would abandon it?
They really shot themselves in the foot when they started going after duplicate accounts.

Suddenly they had to admit to advertisers that they didn't have as many customers as they thought they had..

The advertisers ran away and the snowball started rolling. Talk about digging your own trap.
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They really shot themselves in the foot when they started going after duplicate accounts.

Suddenly they had to admit to advertisers that they didn't have as many customers as they thought they had..

The advertisers ran away and the snowball started rolling. Talk about digging your own trap.
I think EF ought to tolerate duplicates. I used to have loads of fun - quite openly - on an early message board with different characters: a Scandinavian metalhead, a Serbian monk, and so on... depending on what I was drinking at the time.
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Bottom line: I think by now every teenager understands what privacy is and will not as easily post stupid things the way we did 15 years ago.
Sadly this is not the case in my experience.
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Re: The beginning of the end for the Social Media Giants?

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I think EF ought to tolerate duplicates. I used to have loads of fun - quite openly - on an early message board with different characters: a Scandinavian metalhead, a Serbian monk, and so on... depending on what I was drinking at the time.



I suspect there are quite a few EF members who amuse themselves like this these days. They don't have to come up with something very elaborate, it's sufficient that some threads have a trace of plausibility and a dubious grammar..
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I suspect there are quite a few EF members who amuse themselves like this these days. They don't have to come up with something very elaborate, it's sufficient that some threads have a trace of plausibility and a dubious grammar..
That would be about 100% of threads posted in the last 10 years then.
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That would be about 100% of threads posted in the last 10 years then.
Plausibility and dubious grammar? Looks like some users got duplicate accounts with mod rights...
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Re: The beginning of the end for the Social Media Giants?

Facebook's user data leak update.

https://www.businessinsider.com/stol...mpression=true
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<<While a couple of years old, the leaked data could provide valuable information......>>
What? The officially collected and mixed into facebook-info details gathered since February 8th from whatsapp is not even part of it? Pheeew, amateurs.

<<Got a tip? Contact this reporter securely via email at aholmes@businessinsider.com or via the encrypted messaging app Signal at 706-347-1880 .....>>
LOL.
Yeah, as I said in January: Not a bad app if one - like me - doesn't want to relinquish these nice thingies completely.
And on threema life is lonely still. What did a friend of mine say the other day? "My best friend on threema is the echo-feature"
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