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Is there a list of bridges he designed? I'd like to avoid crossing them...
Wikipedia reference-linkGeneral_Rafael_Urdaneta_Bridge

And this one partially collapsed too after collision with a tanker.
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Old 15.08.2018, 13:02
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Wikipedia reference-linkGeneral_Rafael_Urdaneta_Bridge

And this one partially collapsed too after collision with a tanker.
I've been waiting on that bridge!!

That bridge seemed in better condition but that was in '86.....
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Re: Major bridge collapse near Genoa

Bridges dont collapse because of rain or bad driving on top.


Bridges collapse because they arent maintained properly.


Bridges arent maintained properly because those in charge dont belive it is a good investment.


Those in charge, in this case, made fun of the fact that investment was needed and refused to fund it.


In 2013 a statement on the [Five Star] party’s website described warnings of “the imminent collapse of the Morandi Bridge” as a “favoletta”, an Italian word meaning a children’s fantasy tale or fairy story. The bridge collapsed on Tuesday killing at least 37 people and severing country’s A10 motorway.


Improvements to the bridge were also included by the M5S on a list of infrastructure projects which could be scrapped subject to a review of the costs and benefits.


Whats the cost/benefit ratio of 37 dead people?
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In 2013 a statement on the [Five Star] party’s website described warnings of “the imminent collapse of the Morandi Bridge” as a “favoletta”, an Italian word meaning a children’s fantasy tale or fairy story. The bridge collapsed on Tuesday killing at least 37 people and severing country’s A10 motorway.
Hmm, and who's "running" Italy now?
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"Were safety warnings ignored?

The state of the bridge and the responses to the collapse throw light on what has been a long-standing debate about Italian infrastructure.

This was the fifth bridge collapse in Italy in five years, according to Corriere Della Serra.

There have been previous reports and comments questioning how the Morandi bridge was built and how long it could last.

In December 2012, the Genoa city council discussed the state of the bridge at a public hearing into how to expand the local transport infrastructure. A local industry confederation official spoke of the collapse of the Morandi bridge "in 10 years".

In 2016, structural engineer Antonio Brencich spoke of "errors in this bridge".
More recently, an internet page linked to Italy's Five Star Movement, which the party says was not official but which discussed infrastructure in the area, appeared to deny the bridge was in danger and spoke of "the fairy tale of the upcoming collapse of the Morandi Bridge", Il Messagero reports.

Italian media have also been pointing to Mr Toninelli's own comments two weeks ago appearing to oppose a major infrastructure project in the area, work his deputy Edoardo Rixi said was fundamental.

The issue of transport in the area is now critical, given that the bridge was a major arterial route for an important port city.

PM Conte has said all infrastructure across the country will be double-checked."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45193614
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Bridges dont collapse because of rain or bad driving on top.


Bridges collapse because they arent maintained properly.


Bridges arent maintained properly because of EU spending constraints


Those in charge, in this case, made fun of the fact that investment was needed and refused to fund it.
FTFY, this is what the Italian government will claim, watch.

n.b. this isn't my opinion as to why the bridge collapsed
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FTFY, this is what the Italian government will claim, watch.

n.b. this isn't my opinion as to why the bridge collapsed
Well, it's really a cheap stab at the EU isn't it.... There is maybe a grain of truth which comes from being part of the Euro in fact - which imposes a 2% budget deficit restriction - which is very much flaunted and despised by Italy and other southern countries (Greece, are you still here?).

Of course Italy could well have spent less elsewhere and more on infrastructure, but hey, that's politics for you.

I do agree though that the Euro is a bad idea - it forces economies that are not equal to act as they were equal. Italy should just drop the Euro and get back to the lira and stop moaning...
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Re: Major bridge collapse near Genoa

Yeah, its the EUs fault the bridge collapsed.


Kinda pathetic to blame brussels for a genoese bridge that wasnt maintained properly.


If that was the case, prominent bridges all over Europe would be collapsing on a daily basis.
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Well, it's really a cheap stab at the EU isn't it....
That’s what populists do.
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Re: Major bridge collapse near Genoa

Lucky it wasn't one of the bridges depicted on the Euro banknotes, isn't it?
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Yeah, its the EUs fault the bridge collapsed.


Kinda pathetic to blame brussels for a genoese bridge that wasnt maintained properly.


If that was the case, prominent bridges all over Europe would be collapsing on a daily basis.

If things keep going like they've been the last couple of decades: the important word is: "not yet".


Germany's bridges are in a very bad shape and the majority are in serious need of renovation.

It's only a matter of time before something like this happens in Germany.
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Re: Major bridge collapse near Genoa

So in short, it fell because of a bad design followed by years of neglect (by all/several ruling political parties)... altho there were some renovations currently on-going.
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So in short, it fell because of a bad design followed by years of neglect (by all/several ruling political parties)... altho there were some renovations currently on-going.
Only a few months ago, MCS (five star movement) had claimed the bridge would stand for another hundred years, as they opposed a replacement.

I can actually understand them, or at least the sentiment. Construction projects are often just a way to shove money towards organized crime. You want as little of that as possible.
In this case, it might come to haunt them. That's why they are acting like injured animal, howling and lashing out....
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Hmm, and who's "running" Italy now?
A bunch of clowns, more or less the same of the last 20+ yrs, just with a different party tag.
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A bunch of clowns, more or less the same of the last 20+ yrs, just with a different party tag.
Yeah - but this time they cut the crap and voted directly for a clown.
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I do agree though that the Euro is a bad idea - it forces economies that are not equal to act as they were equal. Italy should just drop the Euro and get back to the lira and stop moaning...
Argentina, Venezuela and Turkey are really inspiring...Isn't it?
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So in short, it fell first of all because of a bad design followed by years of neglect (by all/several ruling political parties)... altho there were some renovations currently on-going.
FTFY.
This. And apparently it was "renovated" a few times....money well spent! Right. Probably someone's company needed a contract etc etc ......the rest is history. (apparently there were voices saying it would be cheaper to demolish it and build another one...so what are we talking about it..again?)
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Argentina, Venezuela and Turkey are really inspiring...Isn't it?
Well, evidently they are not very inspiring... But then again, better like that than having the rest of the world sink billions into them that will never have a chance to be recovered. The reasons for their weak currencies are structural and political problems with the economy, to be part of a monetary union would just drag everyone else down
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Only a few months ago, MCS (five star movement) had claimed the bridge would stand for another hundred years, as they opposed a replacement.
You seem pretty hell-bent to somehow connect the collapse of a ~50 year old, poorly designed bridge on a party that has only been in power for a few months? I mean yea, it's fun to play politics, but this just doesn't even make any sense
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Re: Major bridge collapse near Genoa

Apparently, there was a discussion about replacing the bridge a while ago.
MCS apparently argued back then that the bridge being in disrepair was a "fairy tale" and that it would stand for a hundred years.


I don't really care who's going to run Italy into the ground.
Just considered this to be a particular bad case of hypocrisy ;-)
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