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John McCain RIP

Recently stopped his cancer treatment and has passed away aged 81.

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Old 26.08.2018, 08:57
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From POW to warmonger, encapsulates US politics. He had no respect for human life, hard to have any for him
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Old 26.08.2018, 11:17
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From POW to warmonger, encapsulates US politics. He had no respect for human life, hard to have any for him
He went through more horrors in his life than you or me ever will and came through it with more dignity and humility than you just showed with your post.

I'm not from the US and I'm not political, so save your replies if that's your standpoint.
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Old 26.08.2018, 12:17
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From POW to warmonger, encapsulates US politics. He had no respect for human life, hard to have any for him
Perhaps he wasn’t perfect, to which he admitted it first on several occasions, but he had served his country well. RIP

Let’s keep in mind that he had suffered and achieved much more in his lifetime than an average keyboard-warrior on the EF.
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Old 26.08.2018, 12:35
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One of the few reasonable and rational Republicans, it’s a sad day for US politics, which is hard to achieve as everyday in US politics is quite tragic at the moment.
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Old 26.08.2018, 13:39
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One of the few reasonable and rational Republicans, it’s a sad day for US politics, which is hard to achieve as everyday in US politics is quite tragic at the moment.
Sure! He only called for direct US military intervention in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Kosovo, Nigeria, Bosnia, North Korea, Iran, Russia, Mali, Sudan, and China, to name a few...

But hey, he didn't get along with DT, so he must have been ok, right?
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Old 26.08.2018, 14:00
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Re: John McCain RIP

I'll remember him for this as a representative of the US political class amongst other things :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
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35 plus year political career and this is the most popular story on the BBC

John McCain: Five times he clashed with Trump
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Old 26.08.2018, 14:16
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Re: John McCain RIP

Back in 2008, when McCain was running against Obama, he spoke to supporters who were afraid of Obama because they felt he was untrustworthy and an "Arab". McCain explained that they need not fear Obama as he was a decent man who just had different views than his own.

If only more candidates would be so articulate, honorable and truthful when talking about their opposition.

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Old 26.08.2018, 14:25
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Supported Obama over him as I thought Obama would give young black men a decent role model. Was wrong. Very honourable guy with tremendous courage.
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Old 26.08.2018, 14:30
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Supported Obama over him as I thought Obama would give young black men a decent role model. Was wrong. Very honourable guy with tremendous courage.
If only the Republicans had a candidate like McCain instead of Trump for the 2016 elections, they wouldn't be in this mess right now.
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Old 26.08.2018, 14:37
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If only the Republicans had a candidate like McCain instead of Trump for the 2016 elections, they wouldn't be in this mess right now.
Agreed but there you have it :

If only Democrats had had a candidate like McCain in 2016 they also wouldn't be in such a mess.

If only the voters had put in Gary Johnson then the country would be in a far better state.
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One of the few reasonable and rational Republicans, it’s a sad day for US politics, which is hard to achieve as everyday in US politics is quite tragic at the moment.
Not the straight backed all-American boy ...

"McCain knew that what he was doing was wrong. Three months before he fell into that Hanoi lake, he barely survived when his fellow sailors accidentally fired a missile at his plane while it was getting ready to take off from his ship. The blast set off bombs and ordnance across the deck of the aircraft carrier. The conflagration, which took 24 hours to bring under control, killed 132 sailors. A few days later, a shaken McCain told a New York Times reporter in Saigon: Now that I've seen what the bombs and the napalm did to the people on our ship, I'm not so sure that I want to drop any more of that stuff on North Vietnam."..

He dropped much more napalm after, and then...

"I am a war criminal," McCain said on 60 Minutes in 1997. "I bombed innocent women and childrent"
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"McCain knew that what he was doing was wrong. Three months before he fell into that Hanoi lake, he barely survived when his fellow sailors accidentally fired a missile at his plane while it was getting ready to take off from his ship. The blast set off bombs and ordnance across the deck of the aircraft carrier. The conflagration, which took 24 hours to bring under control, killed 132 sailors. A few days later, a shaken McCain told a New York Times reporter in Saigon: Now that I've seen what the bombs and the napalm did to the people on our ship, I'm not so sure that I want to drop any more of that stuff on North Vietnam."..

He dropped much more napalm after, and then...

"I am a war criminal," McCain said on 60 Minutes in 1997. "I bombed innocent women and childrent"
He was being honest with himself and quoting it in public. His deeds were horrendous but they were at the orders of the US government. When he was captured, he allowed other soldiers to be released before him.

I do not share all of McCains views but I admire his ability to self-reflect, including admitting regret in appointing Sarah Palin as his vice-president.
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Supported Obama over him as I thought Obama would give young black men a decent role model. Was wrong. Very honourable guy with tremendous courage.
So are you American now? Obama was a great role model and statesman for the US. You really believed that a President with two terms was going to be able to turn around a very unequal society because he was black? He tried to change things that made society unfair to the poorest, such as healthcare reforms, but it seems that anything he did positive should be destroyed by the Republican loons. I think by your post you mean to say that Black America is a problem for White America, which is a trashy racist comment. Or am I wrong?
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He went through more horrors in his life than you or me ever will and came through it with more dignity and humility than you just showed with your post.

I'm not from the US and I'm not political, so save your replies if that's your standpoint.
Nonsensical justification for a war monger, career is littered with examples of advocating war and playing a pivotal role in killing and displacing millions. Someone who suffered as he surely did as a POW should’ve known better but he doubled down on killing. No sympathies, there are heroes who saved millions a. nd promoted peace, I’ll always prefer humanitarians over killers


I expect the same nonsense when Kissinger dies too
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Re: John McCain RIP

What I don't understand about John McCain is the ever focus on his suffering when being a war prisoner.

He could have been released once they found out he was the son of an Admiral but chose to stay. When thinking with the hart, it was a great move but was it really a smart thing to do? After all, he became a trophy for the enemy.
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So are you American now? Obama was a great role model and statesman for the US. You really believed that a President with two terms was going to be able to turn around a very unequal society because he was black? He tried to change things that made society unfair to the poorest, such as healthcare reforms, but it seems that anything he did positive should be destroyed by the Republican loons. I think by your post you mean to say that Black America is a problem for White America, which is a trashy racist comment. Or am I wrong?
As you have repeatedly demonstrated on this and other threads you are wrong. Quit trolling.

Obama getting the top post proved that it was possible for a black man to make it.
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What I don't understand about John McCain is the ever focus on his suffering when being a war prisoner.

He could have been released once they found out he was the son of an Admiral but chose to stay. When thinking with the hart, it was a great move but was it really a smart thing to do? After all, he became a trophy for the enemy.
Isn't there a code of conduct of sorts that calls for "first in, first out" and there was a whole bunch of POWs before him that should have been released first? Plus my understanding is that would have served as positive PR of sorts for the Vietnamese and he didn't want to be part of that.

Just my understanding of what I've read about him and his experiences as a POW.

Whether that was smart or not, I guess that's a judgement call....
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I fail to understand the patience here for these glowing eulogies and these tales of war time heroics extending even to his time in captivity. And the alleged torture he was exposed to sounds like the daily routine at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo or any rendition center.

Considering the damage that was wreaked on Vietnam from the air with napalm, agent orange, explosives etc. rained down a substantially civilian population, he was fortunate that he was taken into captivity at all after his bombing mission failed and not simply summarily executed. And what was he bombing when shot down? Apparently a power plant.

Anyway, his judgement is not in our mortal hands.
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