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Old 13.09.2018, 10:23
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Re: African tourists in Switzerland

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And you can barely move in Europe for female Japanese tourists wearing formal kimonos in the streets.
Kimonos are way better than the poor black dude who has to go to Jungfraujoch in a loincloth...
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Old 13.09.2018, 22:35
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Re: African tourists in Switzerland

Those who can afford to travel (middle and upper class, and those with smaller families), might simply not rank Switzerland at the top of their lists.

Here are some possible explanations, some of which, admittedly, contradict one another. They may be true for different people.
  • For those who choose Europe, they may feel closer links to a former colonial country than to Switzerland, perhaps even because someone in the family may have ancestral access to citizenship there, so they may have relatives there they'd like to visit.
  • The opposite view is a post-colonial rejection of Eurocentricity. There are so many other places in the world, to want to see. Chinese entrepreneurs, for example, have forged many business relationships all over Africa, so China might rank higher on the list of interesting places to visit.
  • Those whose relations have emigrated (and who could be visited) may have gone not only to the colonial country, but to one which shares a language, therefore also, for example, New Zealand, or Canada (incl. Quebec), the USA, Maritius, Brazil.
  • The emphasis on "family" and "tribe" and "belonging" is still very strong in many African cultures, so visiting where one's family's friends' friends' family's friends live, nearly automatically means being taken in, provided with hospitality. Therefore, the choice of travelling may be influenced by where that disapora is to be found.
  • Depending on how much education the previous generations of a family was privileged to experience, there may be a sense of distrust or fear to travel to a country in which one does not speak the language.
  • Travelling within Africa has never been more possible, or more interesting, than now, with many cities a multi-cultural mix.
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Old 14.09.2018, 00:01
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Re: African tourists in Switzerland

Africans prefer Swaziland. I don't blame theme .
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  • The emphasis on "family" and "tribe" and "belonging" is still very strong in many African cultures, so visiting where one's family's friends' friends' family's friends live, nearly automatically means being taken in, provided with hospitality. Therefore, the choice of travelling may be influenced by where that disapora is to be found.

Really? Having done business with Africa I met a couple of gentlemen Id describe as upper middle class... born poor, worked hard to get an education and then harder to make a great career. I have a lot of respect for these guys as they worked very hard for every chance they got in life...
One of them told me that they avoid going back to their home village like the plague... everyone feels entitled to get a piece of their wealth, they are expected to throw and pay for massive feasts for literally hundreds of people and feel like a walking wallet... So while this might be generally very true for African culture do I really not think it is the reason why the richer ones don't come to CH.


And I can guarantee one thing: I have seen a steep rise in African business visitors to China, but certainly not many tourists. There are people going to HK on a tourist visa... but still in order to do business. (there is a famous building in HK where a bizarre percentage of African smart phones passes through and are "shipped" to Africa in the suitcases of "tourists" who make their trip twice a month...
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So while this might be generally very true for African culture do I really not think it is the reason why the richer ones don't come to CH.
I've heard similar from African friends. Also, my OH says the main holidays when he lived in SA, were from around 10 December til 10 January.

When my OH was a kid, they took their holidays in Durban, Umhlanga Rocks, Zimbabwe, Mozambique and Swaziland. He used to have trips to Greece to stay with his grandparents during the school holidays, whilst his parents worked, but besides that, his first European holiday was a tour around Italy when he was 15.

My friend from Durban (mid 30s, non-caucasian) always had holidays that were shopping trips to New York or Dubai. That's what her mum wanted, so that's where they went. One of my Kenyan friends (mid 50s non-caucasian) came from a very wealthy family and had a personal butler when he was growing up. He's one of the most widely travelled people that I know, and has visited Geneva and Luzern several times.

We're all different individuals, and people have different tastes when it comes to how they spend their holidays. We all want as much as we can get for our money too, and whilst I've been to Austria, Germany, Italy and France on holiday in the past, I was never overly tempted by Switzerland because of the relative cost of everything to a UK wage. If I was in the mood for a lakes and mountains break, I always went to Austria because at the time, I could afford a week in the Tyrol for the same price as a weekend in Switzerland. Before moving to Switzerland, I'd literally visited once, on a 24hr layover on 1 Jan 2012, flying back from spending Christmas in Athens, and was very thankful that I could get an agent rate at the Radisson Zurich Flughafen.
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Really? Having done business with Africa I met a couple of gentlemen Id describe as upper middle class... born poor, worked hard to get an education and then harder to make a great career. I have a lot of respect for these guys as they worked very hard for every chance they got in life...
One of them told me that they avoid going back to their home village like the plague... everyone feels entitled to get a piece of their wealth, they are expected to throw and pay for massive feasts for literally hundreds of people and feel like a walking wallet... So while this might be generally very true for African culture do I really not think it is the reason why the richer ones don't come to CH.


And I can guarantee one thing: I have seen a steep rise in African business visitors to China, but certainly not many tourists. There are people going to HK on a tourist visa... but still in order to do business. (there is a famous building in HK where a bizarre percentage of African smart phones passes through and are "shipped" to Africa in the suitcases of "tourists" who make their trip twice a month...
From what I read the life of a black African in China is not an easy one. So I cant see too many Africans going on holiday there.
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Re: African tourists in Switzerland

Well get ready . This will change when UNO signs the Migration Pakt then we will have more Africans than Swiss in Switzerland!
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I've heard similar from African friends. Also, my OH says the main holidays when he lived in SA, were from around 10 December til 10 January.
A Swiss/Brit friend of mine does his vacations in Africa most years around then.

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I've heard similar from African friends. Also, my OH says the main holidays when he lived in SA, were from around 10 December til 10 January.
Which is pretty much the best season to visit the Alps. I went as a kid to CH with my parents pretty much every winter exactly within that window...
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