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Old 21.09.2018, 00:02
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Was he right to slap this kid?

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Old 21.09.2018, 00:31
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

Absolutely not. If he has to respond to words with violence, he deserves a slap himself.
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Old 21.09.2018, 00:48
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Absolutely not. If he has to respond to words with violence, he deserves a slap himself.
The thought that the busdriver might have been all shook up after almost hitting the boy with a bus - and then be insulted by the boy who thought it was fun to jump in front of the bus does not cross your mind?

A teen-ager may be as obnoxious as he wants but a bus driver must be in control at all times?

He didn't beat the boy up, he gave him a bitchslap. What a suitable word.
Also the boy sounded all hyped up - a bitchslap can help hysterical people to come down.
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Old 21.09.2018, 03:15
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

Phil, you seem worryingly obsessed of late with slapping and spanking children. What's up?

And curley... your post was a joke, right? I mean, I don't really have to tell you that slapping an "hysterical" person to calm them down is an old wives' tale and counterproductive, do I?
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

Feels good though!
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

If the kid was in his face screaming threats and obscenities for no reason then I would have supported him for the slap, but running in front of a bus with a group of his school friends? Completely ridiculous and he deserves the discipliniary
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

No, if we're at least half civilised and sophisticated as we pretend to be, no, we don't "slap" children, neither adults. Physical punishment for problematic children was never an effective method to redress bad or even unacceptable behaviour. If everything, it makes things even worse. So if the argument is "but but it feels good!"... ha! See you in court, body...


@Phil, why do you hate kids?
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

Reminds me of this story from here (though no child involved).

Zurich ticket inspector faces assault charge after kicking passenger in head
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Old 21.09.2018, 09:42
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

Did the kid have it coming? Maybe.

Did the kid deserve it? Probably.

Is the adult, professional bus driver justified in getting off the vehicle, crossing the street, berating a 12 year old kid and then bitch-slapping him? Absolutely not. If I was the kids parent I'd be livid, no matter how bitch-y my kid had acted.
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Old 21.09.2018, 09:51
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

I once got a slap off a policeman for smiling as I walked around a corner (I used to smile a lot when I was a kid. I wasn't always a grumpy bastard).

Took me a few minutes to get over it. I didn't need to go sobbing to my parents or the news. And I'd done nothing wrong.
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Old 21.09.2018, 10:12
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

Probably wouldn't be so handy with the slap if it had been a bloke his own size.

I think those that lash out at kids only do it because they know they won't or can't fight back. Would have been his just-desserts if the kid was a whizz at taekwondo and leathered him there and then.
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Old 21.09.2018, 10:36
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I think those that lash out at kids only do it because they know they won't or can't fight back.
I think a lot of kids are bloody obnoxious because they know authority figures can do feck all about it.

If a kid is taunting an adult who isn't allowed to react, then who is the bully?
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Old 21.09.2018, 10:37
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

There's a very good series on Channel 4 concerning a cousin who slapped a child who was not his own, and the repercussions it caused ...

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-slap
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

The impression I got from reading the article was that the kids didn't understand the seriousness of his actions, a bus having to slam on the brakes could have caused injuries to the passengers, no idea what speed the bus was doing but if anyone was standing up then the potential for injury was quite high.

I'm suspecting that the bus driver was probably on one level crapping himself for, through no fault of his own, almost killing a kid, combine that with kid showing understanding of the seriousness of the situation probably topped the driver over the edge, does that justify hitting the kid, 20 years ago yes, today no. Will the kid reflect on his actions more because of being hit in this day and age no, will he think about trying to claim damages again in this day and age probably, but then that's my somewhat jaded view of the world we live in these days
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The thought that the busdriver might have been all shook up after almost hitting the boy with a bus - and then be insulted by the boy who thought it was fun to jump in front of the bus does not cross your mind?
That thought did indeed cross my mind. So what? Physically assaulting a minor in response to a verbal insult is still wrong.
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A teen-ager may be as obnoxious as he wants but a bus driver must be in control at all times?

He didn't beat the boy up, he gave him a bitchslap. What a suitable word.
Also the boy sounded all hyped up - a bitchslap can help hysterical people to come down.


Its really simple: It does not matter how old the people involved are - it is never ok to use violence unless it is a direct and immediate self defense situation. End of story.


Nobody said that teenagers may be as obnoxious as they want... quite the opposite- it is important that they learn our rules of living together at this critical age. One of the most important rule of our civilization is the "monopoly of force" that we all collectively give to the cops, not bus drivers...


The driver should be charged and trialed for assault.
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Re: Was he right to slap this kid?

Nobody respects anyone who has been violent towards them. Ever. So the bus driver's actions are counter productive, anyway.

He might be a leery teenager but now, if the bus driver gets away with it, he's learned that he doesn't have to stop at insults - he can now add a bit of violence and it's just fine.

Had the bus driver reported him to his school, the parents or even the police (seeing as he endangered his own life as well as injury to the bus passengers) the kid would have had the fear of God put into him by grown ups acting grown up, and using grown up laws.

Missed opportunity.
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the kid would have had the fear of God put into him by grown ups acting grown up, and using grown up laws.


"Don't do it again, or we'll ask you not to do it again again"

"Don't you oppress my son. He's got ADHD, doncha know?"
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I'm suspecting that the bus driver was probably on one level crapping himself for, through no fault of his own, almost killing a kid,
It could have happened if a 2m tall and 200kg heavy distracted driver in a Jeep would have went his way accidentally.....he'd have to slam on the breaks and cause a mess..
I get he was scared and deeply annoyed, but if the culprit weren't a kid he'd have cursed, screamed in his cabin and moved along...One thing you have to learn as a professional driver is to keep your calm and stay alert because the traffic is not always easy. It's part of the job.

The kid, with his teenager brain behaved like a cheeky ape, but slapping him was wrong. And useless, from an educational point of view.
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"Don't do it again, or we'll ask you not to do it again again"

"Don't you oppress my son. He's got ADHD, doncha know?"
It's a moot point because mum certainly has the advantage now the bus driver clobbered him.

Unless the bus driver's lawyers pull out some similar defence? That would be an interesting plot twist.
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