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13.10.2018, 17:32
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| | Re: Drowning in Plastic | Quote: | |  | | | Edit: I agree, however, tht veganfunlover takes it too far by trying to inject veganism as a topic with near every post on every thread | | | | | That. The fact that he or she appears to see veganism as a cure-all-ills-of-the-modern-world path. In reality, although I agree we don't need that much meat anymore, eating meat is so deeply rooted in our cultures and habits that we can't possibly become vegans over night, at least not all of us. However, I have nothing against people who decided to embrace this diet or better said - life style. It is a bit extreme in my view, but each to their own. I can imagine myself not eating meat, but not even a nice omelette or a slice of cheese?
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13.10.2018, 18:08
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| | Re: Drowning in Plastic | Quote: | |  | | | ...eating meat is so deeply rooted in our cultures and habits that we can't possibly become vegans over night, at least not all of us. However, I have nothing against people who decided to embrace this diet or better said - life style. It is a bit extreme in my view, but each to their own. I can imagine myself not eating meat, but not even a nice omelette or a slice of cheese? | | | | | The other side of 'extreme' IMO is eating animals that have been raised in factory farms, subjected to cruel torture, injected with growth hormones and antibiotics, etc. - which have an enormous impact on the health of our bodies, ecosystem, planet, etc. There are 9 billion animals that will be subject to such treatment, slaughtered, and eaten this year - in the US alone. The combined weight of all of the animals being raised for food on the planet right now is estimated to be more than 50x that of the combined weight of all of the wild animals that remain. https://mic.com/articles/84681/this-...als#.0PfMTwn3f
So although on one hand it may be extreme to be a 'vegan', from another perspective it is much more extreme to be a mainstream modern meat eater.
Back on topic, the phasing out of plastic straws in the EU just seems like a feel-good measure. Sure it's great not to have those straws in the landfills/ocean, etc. - but what about all the rest of the disposable product based economy? It is legal for HP, for example, to sell me a printer which has been programmed to quit working after a certain number of prints, and therefore become a huge chunk of plastic trash (which will break down into thousands/million of little plastic bits eventually), but I can't get a straw with my drink?
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14.10.2018, 09:25
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| | Re: Drowning in Plastic | Quote: | |  | | | I don't know but there are people that believe that you should not eat omnivore and carnivore animals, so that would be at risk | | | | |
Then I should stop eating Tuna? | 
14.10.2018, 09:28
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| | Re: Drowning in Plastic | Quote: | |  | | | The other side of 'extreme' IMO is eating animals that have been raised in factory farms, subjected to cruel torture, injected with growth hormones and antibiotics, etc. - which have an enormous impact on the health of our bodies, ecosystem, planet, etc. There are 9 billion animals that will be subject to such treatment, slaughtered, and eaten this year - in the US alone. The combined weight of all of the animals being raised for food on the planet right now is estimated to be more than 50x that of the combined weight of all of the wild animals that remain. https://mic.com/articles/84681/this-...als#.0PfMTwn3f
So although on one hand it may be extreme to be a 'vegan', from another perspective it is much more extreme to be a mainstream modern meat eater. | | | | |
You're giving USA as an example for animal growing and meat eating habits...yeah, it's extreme there. I couldn't believe my eyes what a steak means in an American steakhouse. For me it could have been eaten by at least 2 hungry people, but hey ho, everything is bigger there. Anyways, as usual generalisations are being made and we tend to overlook the fact that many Americans are as concerned with where their food is coming from as we all are, and some of them choose the organic, grass fed etc meat and buy from local farms etc. And this trend is growing.
The problem is real though - the meat is artificially made too easily available, too cheap considering, and not only there....But we're not in any danger here in CH hehe, are we. | Quote: | |  | | |
Back on topic, the phasing out of plastic straws in the EU just seems like a feel-good measure. Sure it's great not to have those straws in the landfills/ocean, etc. - but what about all the rest of the disposable product based economy? It is legal for HP, for example, to sell me a printer which has been programmed to quit working after a certain number of prints, and therefore become a huge chunk of plastic trash (which will break down into thousands/million of little plastic bits eventually), but I can't get a straw with my drink?  | | | | | Of course. It is obvious that the biggest pollutants are coming from companies not from the general population. But it's important to start doing our part and pushing for changes in legislation...so we have to start from somewhere.
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- first they ignore me
- then they laugh at me
- then they fight against me
.....and then I win. ;-)
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23.11.2018, 11:35
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| | Re: Drowning in Plastic | Quote: | |  | | | it is a disaster already, Loz1983. the sea is rising from global warming, more people live in deltas and by the sea in ever increasing populations! a major storm and flood will one day wipe out many. can you not see that? | | | | | exactly, we're already past the tipping point, so no point in trying any more. just eat all the meat we can before the earth becomes a dust ball!
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| | Re: Drowning in Plastic | Quote: | |  | | | The solution to ocean plastics is the same as the solution for global warming, deforrestation and the depletion of natural resources. And that's to exterminate three-quarters of the worlds population. | | | | | I like this quote in the light of recent events. We're experiencing a test run here |
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