a new poll - the time has come to ask again

Yes, of course. His administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of the country.

Additionally, the world should remember his most important accomplishment: make sure that Hillary did not become president.

Is a bear catholic?
Does the pope poop in the woods?
I hate rhetorical questions.

I don't like having two almost identical threads on Trump. He doesn't deserve the extra attention.

Get you and agree. No comments required, just vote.

I just wonder if EF still has 27% of yeses.

I've changed the thread title. It makes no sense to ask whether Trump will be a good president 21 months into his presidency, and having two threads with the same title is simply confusing.

I trust my edits to the thread title and to the poll question reflect the OP's intentions.

Define good?

I'd say he is one of the presidents who stuck most to the line he promised he'd follow, so yeah that is good and what people wanted.

If such is good on the long term for the country is another discussion and might make him a bad one.

He's a revolting individual - this much is clear - and I have no idea why many people who consider themselves to be conservative support him, but as a president he's no better or worse than anyone who has come before him.

I don't think people get that job by being "nice" and "thinking of the children".

Yep. But he was a revolting individual when he stood for election. So I guess we just have to realize that revolting is what they wanted.

So one could say: What they saw was what they got. That in itself is rather unsusual.

By that criterion, certainly an improvement on his predecessor!

How so?

Pfft. Image upload isn't working, so: https://goo.gl/images/b73ELp

Um, he promised change from the Bush administration. He wanted to pull the soldiers out and basically sold himself as the bringer of peace. I am the first to admit that he inherited a heap of shit from W. but in all honesty did he not bring the "change" he was talking about. He just replaced open warfare with killer drones assassinating people based on computer intel alone. He has fixed the US economy, but all the foreign issues honestly got worse in his time... the Taleban have a strong grip on Afghanistan again and we don't even want to start talking about how IS was founded in Iraq and then swept over into Syria... or what they did.


The drone war alone is pretty surely a war crime, carried out about 20 times per day over several years. Then we can talk about Edward Snowden and his story... if Obama was all about civil rights as the democrats claim... well, his actions talked a different language. Or Manning. If Obama was the person he painted himself to be would he give him (her?) a medal, not a jail sentence.


Obama was a very polished talker and managed to sell the US really well to its Western allies. The Middle East and anyone else at the receiving end of his foreign policies saw him in a very different light. Might sound funny in the light of the current "trade war", but most Chinese openly supported Trump. They at least knew what he wanted.

In defence of Obama (not that the former most powerful man in the world needs it, but...), he was not responsible for most of the bullshit that surrounded him. There was so much hype before his election - on both sides of the Atlantic - that there was no way he could ever live up to his messianic image.

But nobody made him do it...

Ok, lets put it this way: He was for long parts of his years not free to do what he wanted due to a deadlock in congress. What he did in foreign politics was however hardly in line with his promises. By the end of his second term was the US bombing seven countries with their drones. Very few Americans were even able to name them, let alone find them on a map. One of his key promises was to regain the moral high ground by ending the Bush torture program and closing down Guantanamo. Not exactly a success story either.

This thread is about Trump though.

But this is EF.......herding cats.


How do you separate the despicable human from the president? The guy who mocks a female reporter while saying she doesn‘t think? Is that Trump or the president. Anyway, he sucks at both.

Without Obama this thread wouldn't exist.

Quite a few points to cover there... But to answer just a couple, Obama didn't give Chelsea Manning a gaol sentence (Manning was court-martialled in a judicial process independent of the president/Commander-in-Chief). On the contrary, Obama commuted Manning's sentence three days before the end of his (Obama's) term expired (can you imagine Trump doing that?), effectively setting her free.

Nobody claims that Obama (or any president before or since) did everything perfectly. But what he did do, he did for the greater good of all Americans, in a largely non-partisan way. That wasn't necessarily in the best interest of non-Americans, that's for sure, but unfortunately that's how American presidents operate. Despite Trump's rhetoric, Obama consistently put America first.

Also, he received the Nobel Peace Prize, so what you say about war crimes can't possibly be true.

Yeah, so is this one.

As Trump luvs comparing himself to Obama ......