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Operation Christmas child. Be aware of itís purpose.

This time of year people start to prepare for Christmas, and I have started to see people asking others to contribute to Operation Christmas Child.
I have no problem with people doing so, but I do have a problem with those asking either not mentioning, or later when challenged, even refuting that OCCís main purpose is the conversion of children and communities to Chritianity.
Here is a link to the OCC page on the Samaritanís Purse website. https://www.samaritanspurse.org/oper...-of-a-shoebox/
And, although I am not a Humanitarian, and disagree with many of their views, here is a link to their opinion piece on OCC in the UK, which I add primarily as it includes alternatives. https://humanism.org.uk/humanism/hum...aritans-purse/
I would ask all those who promote OCC to be upfront on the purpose of the boxes so that those of us who are uncomfortable with evangelicalism can make an infomed decision. Like I say, if people are happy to give your time and goods to help evangelicals convert children to Christianity, then they will. Be upfront.
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Re: Operation Christmas child. Be aware of itís purpose.

Looks pretty upfront to me:

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Re: Operation Christmas child. Be aware of itís purpose.

Start your own organization and call it "Satan's Purse"!

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I have no problem with people doing so, but I do have a problem with those asking either not mentioning, or later when challenged, even refuting that OCC’s main purpose is the conversion of children and communities to Chritianity.
Have you experience of this and are these people representatives of OCC? It seems obvious from the website that it's an evangelical organisation.
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And, although I am not a Humanitarian...
You don't mean that, I think. (I hope).
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Old 12.10.2018, 11:00
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You don't mean that, I think. (I hope).
Well, I'm certainly not one.

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Re: Operation Christmas child. Be aware of itís purpose.

Wikipedia reference-linkHumanitarianism is an active belief in the value of human life, whereby humans practice benevolent treatment and provide assistance to other humans, in order to better humanity for moral, altruistic and logical reasons.


However I doubt that's the reason for OCC, they appear to use the gifts as bait.
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Have you experience of this and are these people representatives of OCC? It seems obvious from the website that it's an evangelical organisation.
Not sure if they represent OCC but a lady on a parenting FB site was advertising it (without linking the SP site) and when I pointed out that they do OCC to convert she flat out denied that was the purpose..... I asked her to add the OCC link to the original post but she refused. Another woman said she was unhappy with evangelicism and the litrature but the OP assured her I was making it up, again refusing to add the OCC link.
It’s the duplicitousness of it. They should be up front about the purpose, people will still give. The fact that they hide the purpose means that many people are giving their time and money for a porpose they might not agree with. In the UK in the past many schools organised these boxes, so non-christian kids were basically an agency for christian conversion.
Like I say, if they said, like the Samaritan’s Purse website is clear about, that these boxes were in order to effect conversions, I am sure people will still contribute. But they obfuscate that aspect.

Tldr, they never add the official website that I linked to.
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Old 13.10.2018, 12:58
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Not sure if they represent OCC but a lady on a parenting FB site was advertising it (without linking the SP site) and when I pointed out that they do OCC to convert she flat out denied that was the purpose..... I asked her to add the OCC link to the original post but she refused. Another woman said she was unhappy with evangelicism and the litrature but the OP assured her I was making it up, again refusing to add the OCC link.
Itís the duplicitousness of it. They should be up front about the purpose, people will still give. The fact that they hide the purpose means that many people are giving their time and money for a porpose they might not agree with. In the UK in the past many schools organised these boxes, so non-christian kids were basically an agency for christian conversion.
Like I say, if they said, like the Samaritanís Purse website is clear about, that these boxes were in order to effect conversions, I am sure people will still contribute. But they obfuscate that aspect.

Tldr, they never add the official website that I linked to.
I think you are being a little bit unfair there. The Samaritanís purse link was there in the original post on the FB group and if you clicked on it you could read all about them and what their aims are.
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Re: Operation Christmas child. Be aware of itís purpose.

You mean this link ? https://www.samaritans-purse.org.uk/...ack-a-shoebox/
I mean it says to pray, but it also says you must not include ďanything of a political, racial or religious natureĒ so you could easily believe that it is a secular box. Yes, people could search around, but most people do not.
I see no reason why the link I put from their website is not used instead of the OCC facebook page link as the first link to explain what OCC is.... unless itís because they are not wanting to scare off non-evangelicals from donating.
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Re: Operation Christmas child. Be aware of itís purpose.

Um, the charity is named after a Bible story. They have a cross in their logo.

I don't know how much more obvious they could make it.
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Um, the charity is named after a Bible story. They have a cross in their logo.

I don't know how much more obvious they could make it.
And if you go to the 'about us' page, the first line is 'Help in Jesus' name'...
I can't imagine anyone donating without at the very least checking the 'about us' page.
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Old 14.10.2018, 12:34
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Um, the charity is named after a Bible story. They have a cross in their logo.

I don't know how much more obvious they could make it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan%27s_Purse

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You mean this link ? https://www.samaritans-purse.org.uk/...ack-a-shoebox/
I mean it says to pray, but it also says you must not include “anything of a political, racial or religious nature” so you could easily believe that it is a secular box. Yes, people could search around, but most people do not.
I see no reason why the link I put from their website is not used instead of the OCC facebook page link as the first link to explain what OCC is.... unless it’s because they are not wanting to scare off non-evangelicals from donating.
You quite clearly said in your post that the FB post contained no links to the charity and that the OP refused to post any which was not the case so your post is not entirely fair.



Yes, that was the link that was posted and anyone with half an ounce of intelligence could click on the ‘who are we’ and ‘what do we do’ links to find out more. I wouldn’t blithely donate to something without finding out what it’s about first and I’m sure most other people wouldn’t either.


She also posted this link in German which makes it pretty clear that it is a Christian organisation.

https://www.geschenke-der-hoffnung.a...on/abgabeorte/
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Um, the charity is named after a Bible story. They have a cross in their logo.

I don't know how much more obvious they could make it.
I have even heard a rumor that Christmas itself is about Christ.
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I have even heard a rumor that Christmas itself is about Christ.
So the "Christmas Child" could be...? No, surely not!
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I have even heard a rumor that Christmas itself is about Christ.
That is just a rumor. Don't believe everything you read on the interwebs!
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Re: Operation Christmas child. Be aware of itís purpose.

I've just been to the Christmas Child UK facebook page. Pretty much every post makes at least one mention of God's love, and then, from only about a week ago, is this little beauty:

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Re: Operation Christmas child. Be aware of itís purpose.

Personally, I'd expact that anything that has the word "Christmas" in the title to have something to do with "Christianity".

Except, perhaps, in the US!

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Personally, I'd expact that anything that has the word "Christmas" in the title to have something to do with "Christianity".

Except, perhaps, in the US!

Tom
Reminds me of a woman I knew at teacher training college. She was complaining that her child - being brought up a Muslim - was being indoctrinated by the school. Apparently, Jesus was being referred to as the Son of God and all sorts of stuff!

I asked her which school her kid attended.

"St Matthew's Church of England School," she replied.
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