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Old 21.11.2018, 20:21
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

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Killing non violent political opponents is not ok, killing terrorists is, regardless of the location.
No it's not.
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Old 21.11.2018, 22:07
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Killing non violent political opponents is not ok, killing terrorists is, regardless of the location.
Absolutely. Killing terrorists, regardless of location is OK. That is why it is so important to stretch the definition of terrorist to apply to people who would terrorise ordinary folk by providing them with information which could confuse them and give them the misleading impression that their ruling classes were anything other that altruistic benefactors, driven by an overriding urge to ensure the continued good of their citizens. Journalist and other such malign fear mongers are clearly, by definition, terrorists and deserve everything that is coming to them.
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Old 21.11.2018, 23:20
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No it's not.
Yes it is.

Terrorists and/or Illegal combatants-
1. Persons who act violently against civilians to achieve a political goal.
2. Are not clearly identified as combatants. usually pretending to be civilians.

Do not get the same protection as civilians.
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Old 22.11.2018, 01:05
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Yes it is.

Terrorists and/or Illegal combatants-
1. Persons who act violently against civilians to achieve a political goal.
2. Are not clearly identified as combatants. usually pretending to be civilians.

Do not get the same protection as civilians.
Killing someone for having acted violently is killing for a political goal. (The political goal to keep the power/insure the present system).

When is a civilian who disagrees with the present system a terrorist?

Killing someone for having killed is - killing. Most civilized societies have understood that by now.
We won't convince each other.
You stick to your death-sentence believe as long as you believe you're on a higher level than others while you go down to their level the moment they don't follow your rules.

We stick to our conviction.
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Old 22.11.2018, 01:27
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

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No it's not. There is no legal killing outside of the act except by national judicial verdict. What the US do is murder by another name.
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Old 22.11.2018, 11:39
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

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Killing someone for having acted violently is killing for a political goal. (The political goal to keep the power/insure the present system).

When is a civilian who disagrees with the present system a terrorist?

Killing someone for having killed is - killing. Most civilized societies have understood that by now.
We won't convince each other.
You stick to your death-sentence believe as long as you believe you're on a higher level than others while you go down to their level the moment they don't follow your rules.

We stick to our conviction.
I'll try to clarify:
Generally speaking:
In a democracy, the government and the system itself gets the legitimacy from the citizens. The citizens can organize in parties & NGOs and demonstrate against the government. It is legal for the citizens to act to change the system.

No violence is allowed. if citizens resort to violence then they are criminals (for example rioting instead of peacefully demonstrating) or Terrorists (when they use violence to scare or coerce other citizens or government officials).

Terrorist organizations differ from criminal organizations mostly when they violently act for a political goal. they are not to be judged by criminal law, but by the rules of war. They are a legitimate target.

As far as I know the US & UK do not kill or imprison people involved in the former (non violent) activity. Saudi & Turkey do. If you have examples to the contrary, please provide them.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Saudi demands Netflix remove Saudi-critical episode of Hasan Minhaj's 'Patriot Act' show.

As required by 'The Streisand Effect' I'll just leave this here

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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

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The best promotion a mediocre comedian could hope for.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

The UN report is now available.

Al Jazeera has an interview with Agnes Callamard, United Nations extrajudicial executions investigator:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...132129136.html

The report is available:

https://ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Page...24713&LangID=E
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Al Jazeera has an interview with Agnes Callamard, United Nations extrajudicial executions investigator:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...132129136.html

The report is available:

https://ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Page...24713&LangID=E
This feels like theres a corpse in the room, it's been beheaded and we're waiting for the doctor to come and pronounce him dead, until the official pronouncement of death is made there are idiots who want to pretend there might still be life.

The journo was murdered on the orders of MBS, so says any investigative agency without a vested interest. The hand wringing and sucking up is revolting.
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Old 19.06.2019, 23:16
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Of course.

But as I said, while MBS will not suffer any consequences immediately, him sacrificing some of his closest and longest friends and allies in order not get suckered into this will have grave consequences in the future.

The next time he orders such a stunt, people will certainly look for some kind of insurance - and because he knows this, he can never be too sure that nobody is going to stab him from behind (figuratively and literally).

Right now, if it wasn't for Trump, he'd be diplomatically dead.
Maybe Trump will be around until early 2025 - but maybe it's over in 2021.
And then what?
The next POTUS might look to these events with a different angle - and if only to score a few easy points in the polls in certain demographics who care about this.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

The final CIA report is out:

https://www.odni.gov/files/ODNI/docu...h-20210226.pdf

I think I read that all those sentenced to death in the initial trial in KSA have been pardoned in the meantime...

Jamal Kashoggi is still dead, though.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Well perhaps now MBS (aka Mr. Bone Saw) will face global condemnation.

But perhaps not.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

All drama and show anyway!

Biden Won’t Penalize Saudi Crown Prince Over Khashoggi’s Killing, Fearing Relations Breach


The decision will disappoint the human rights community and members of his own party who complained during the Trump administration that the U.S. was failing to hold Mohammed bin Salman accountable.
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