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I doubt he expected to be kidnapped and murdered in an embassy.
But he did instruct his wife what to do in case he disappears. So it was a real threat
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But he did instruct his wife what to do in case he disappears. So it was a real threat
Who knows, the question is would it have changed anything? They may have escorted her out, kept him, then the outcome would be the same. The evil bastards clearly don't give a shit.
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Old 13.10.2018, 10:03
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Well, I'm shocked by the evil allegations.

To accuse a nation with such an exemplary human rights record of such a horror!

I suspect they actually warmly invited him to chair the committee overseeing the difficult but keenly desired transition to a liberal democratic republic, and he was so keen to start right away that he asked to be concealed in the boot of a diplomatic vehicle in order to avoid the papparazzi.

Everything else is just scurrilous speculation.
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Old 13.10.2018, 10:10
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

When it comes to eliminating opposition in modern world, unfortunately Dark Ages methods will never cease to prevail. Not to mention that some states are still living in those times.
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Mr Trump has spoken." we'll see what happens"! Thats obvious. This must be Trumps life motto. Usually what he say's when he can't give an intelligible answer. Which is 99% of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mTv8unqFbQ

PS: Good timing for the release of the Pastor. Right before mid term. What did Trump pay to Erdogan to get him released?!

"we'll see what happens"!
You really don't understand politics.
For the pastor, Erdogan had to find a way out without losing too much face as the situation has caused a lot of political and economic trouble for Turkey.

As for Trump, Melania made a clear f**k you-statement by not covering her her during the Saudi Arabia visit.
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In order for Turkish police to close the embassy, Turkey would have to cut off diplomatic relations with Saudia Arabia entirely. That's quite a drastic action.

Odd that Turkey makes such a fuss when it's been government policy for the last couple of years to silence journalists the Turkish government doesn't like. (Shutting down newspapers, imprisonment).
Pretty sure journalists, if given the choice, prefer to be detained rather then transformed into dog food.

Equating the shitty things turkey did with the vastly-shitties things SA does is disingenuous...

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If it was on USA soil they would be in there the next day
I think you've missed the fact that Trumps very orange nose is very far up a certain Crown Prince's behind.
The US will impose some derisory sanctions (the tea lady that serves the crown princes 4th cousin thrice removed will be banned from entering the US, i expect) but nothing with any bite. The current US Administration simply doesn't have the backbone or the will to do that.

So, as gruesome and evil as it is, the crown prince will get a pass on this one.
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As for Trump, Melania made a clear f**k you-statement by not covering her her during the Saudi Arabia visit.
As if.

And it's nothing new.

Here's Angela again in 2017. However, women (many the same as above) did cover their head and hair when visiting the Pope. There's a clear message behind the different behavior.

Perhaps also note Trump's all too common double standards:
He criticised Michelle for not covering her head in 2015 but of course it's Ok for Melania to do exactly the same. Not surprisingly he referred to her with Mrs Obama (see 4th link).
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Ferfuxsake Donald.

Jamal Khashoggi: Trump suggests 'rogue killers' to blame
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

all these Saudis look like guests at a fancy dress party!
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Old 15.10.2018, 22:19
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Now it seems that the Saudis will admit Kashoggi died in a rogue interrogation gone wrong.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/15/m...key/index.html
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Did they get lost on the way to Salisbury?

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I just don't understand why Saudi Arabia doesn't tell the truth. The 15 man team sent from Saudi Arabia was in Istanbul on tourism.
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You really don't understand politics.
For the pastor, Erdogan had to find a way out without losing too much face as the situation has caused a lot of political and economic trouble for Turkey.

As for Trump, Melania made a clear f**k you-statement by not covering her her during the Saudi Arabia visit.
Thats no f .. you statement. She simply does not want criticism from back home.

She said f,,, you in Africa by wearing her colonial era white safari hat.

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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Breaking news! Saudis say they killed him by mistake. The chain saw slipped during interrogation and his head was removed. Efforts to put his head back on were in vain.

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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Interestingly, we can still be instigated to express moral outrage even to the level of frenzy, as and when required, even though the underlying moral values have mostly evaporated.

Event1: Saudi Arabia is accused of performing a 'extra-judicial killing' on one of its own citizens.
Reaction: Shock and horror (but with some mitigation due to large military contracts with Boeing, Raytheon etc.)

Event2: Saudi Arabia bomb a bus load of school children in Yemen
Reaction: The media show complete disinterest. After all, Yemeni children are a bit brown and the Saudis did it using American weapons.

Event3: Saudi Arabians destroy 2 buildings in Manhattan
Reaction: Afghanistan and Iraq are attacked.


Event1 and the reaction are, incidentally, somewhat reminiscent of the 'Salisbury incident' with the exception that the Russians do not buy American weapons.
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Now it seems that the Saudis will admit Kashoggi died in a rogue interrogation gone wrong.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/15/m...key/index.html
Disgusting and they had a bone saw and a forensics expert with them 'just in case'. So, the orange clown acknowledges American values can be bought for 110bn, I wonder how low he would go, at what value of arms sales would he condemn the Saudis.


I'm reminded of the story of a plane landing in Riyadh and someone asking the flight attendant what the time difference was and her replying 'about 300 years'

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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

KSA can't just switch from US/UK arms to Russian / or Chinese ones without replacing almost all its existing military hardware so that threat is lame.

If KSA did attempt a new oil embargo, energy prices would rocket and hurt the West, but the latter maintain high levels of strategic reserves against such an eventuality and KSA would suffer from the economic pain.

This is good timing for Erdogan and while clearly he's not involved he's opportunistically exploiting this for all its worth. He's wanted to attack KSA for years because for the neo-Ottomans, the House of Saud will always be the scum who stabbed the Turks in the back. Plus it detracts from the mess he's made of the economy.
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Disgusting and they had a bone saw and a forensics expert with them 'just in case'. So, the orange clown acnowledges American values can be bought for 110bn, I wonder how low he would go, at what value of arms sales would he condemn the Saudis.


I'm reminded of the story of a plane landing in Riyadh and someone asking the flight attendant what the time difference was and her replying 'about 300 years'
Trump will probably say " boys will be boys " and admonish them for their mischief
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I just don't understand why Saudi Arabia doesn't tell the truth. The 15 man team sent from Saudi Arabia was in Istanbul on tourism.
I don't understand why they just didn't call Mr.Wolf?

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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

So far only about $4 Bn in military contacts is actually done. The rest is all «letter of intent» general blah-blah and all without any dates or details.....
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Interestingly, we can still be instigated to express moral outrage even to the level of frenzy, as and when required, even though the underlying moral values have mostly evaporated.

Event1: Saudi Arabia is accused of performing a 'extra-judicial killing' on one of its own citizens.
Reaction: Shock and horror (but with some mitigation due to large military contracts with Boeing, Raytheon etc.)

Event2: Saudi Arabia bomb a bus load of school children in Yemen
Reaction: The media show complete disinterest. After all, Yemeni children are a bit brown and the Saudis did it using American weapons.

Event3: Saudi Arabians destroy 2 buildings in Manhattan
Reaction: Afghanistan and Iraq are attacked.


Event1 and the reaction are, incidentally, somewhat reminiscent of the 'Salisbury incident' with the exception that the Russians do not buy American weapons.
Add to that list the blockade of Qatar, the kidnap of the Lebanese PM, fall-outs with Sweden and Canada and using the Ritz Carlton as a prison. A proper shithole country who we love to sell arms to

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