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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

I wouldn't be surprised if the leaks happened because Saudis intended so.
This killing is a message.
Same as Russia is killing its defectors in a spectacular way.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

NY Post: Saudi who arrived in Turkey day of Khashoggi disappearance dies in ‘traffic accident’
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One of the 15 Saudis who arrived in Turkey the same day Jamal Khashoggi disappeared has died in a “suspicious traffic accident” and the Saudi consul in Istanbul could be the “next execution,” according to Turkish media reports.

Mashal Saad al-Bostani, 31, a lieutenant in the Saudi Royal Air Forces, was among the 15-member “hit team” that landed in Istanbul in two private jets from Riyadh on Oct. 2 and headed to the Saudi consulate.

He died in a car crash in Riyadh, but few details have emerged, the newspaper Yeni Safak reported, adding that his role in the “murder” was not clear.

The Saudi consul, Mohammad al-Otaibi, who was heard on a video recording of Khashoggi being killed and dismembered in the consulate, could be the “next execution,” as Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman “would do anything to get rid of the evidence,” the Hurriyet Daily News said Thursday.
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Old 19.10.2018, 10:31
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

And this mafia called the US government supports the killer prince. Shame on you you arschloch<
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

C'est la vie.
Just another targeted assassination or extra-judicial killing. These happen all over the place and with monotonous regularity, so often, that under normal circumstances, the media hardly bother with them.
And anyway, isn't that one of the prime selling points of the Reaper drones, which Saudi Arabia has on its shopping list, that such assassinations can be carried out in the comfort of a control center many thousands of kilometers away with just a few button presses. No need for all that messy onsite presence with associated disposal problems.

The interesting question is, what transgression has Saudi Arabia committed, or what plan is afoot, that is it is now suddenly the focus of an unprecedented and coordinated campaign of vilification supported by all manner gory details, for what is effectively "business as usual" for that regime. Surely it can't just be one more, admittedly gruesome, alleged assassination of anyway one of its own citizens. There must be more to it than that.

Neither can it be the fact that Khashoggi worked in some capacity for a media organisation. The treatment of Julian Assange demonstrates that this in itself brings no such special privileges or attention.

Maybe, had they instead, used a Reaper drone to deal with Khashoggi, there would not have been all this fuss. Could it all simply be a message that they should hurry up with their purchase of these drones ?
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..... I'm reminded of the story of a plane landing in Riyadh and someone asking the flight attendant what the time difference was and her replying 'about 300 years'
And because they have such a hard time catching up, the West now backtracks to meet them.
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C'est la vie.
Just another targeted assassination or extra-judicial killing. These happen all over the place and with monotonous regularity, so often, that under normal circumstances, the media hardly bother with them.
And anyway, isn't that one of the prime selling points of the Reaper drones, which Saudi Arabia has on its shopping list, that such assassinations can be carried out in the comfort of a control center many thousands of kilometers away with just a few button presses. No need for all that messy onsite presence with associated disposal problems.

The interesting question is, what transgression has Saudi Arabia committed, or what plan is afoot, that is it is now suddenly the focus of an unprecedented and coordinated campaign of vilification supported by all manner gory details, for what is effectively "business as usual" for that regime. Surely it can't just be one more, admittedly gruesome, alleged assassination of anyway one of its own citizens. There must be more to it than that.

Neither can it be the fact that Khashoggi worked in some capacity for a media organisation. The treatment of Julian Assange demonstrates that this in itself brings no such special privileges or attention.

Maybe, had they instead, used a Reaper drone to deal with Khashoggi, there would not have been all this fuss. Could it all simply be a message that they should hurry up with their purchase of these drones ?
Are you from Saudi Arabia. Sounds like you have alot of support for their murders
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Are you from Saudi Arabia. Sounds like you have alot of support for their murders
Only to people who are functionally illiterate.

And trolls, of course.
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C'est la vie.
Just another targeted assassination or extra-judicial killing. These happen all over the place and with monotonous regularity, so often, that under normal circumstances, the media hardly bother with them.
And anyway, isn't that one of the prime selling points of the Reaper drones, which Saudi Arabia has on its shopping list, that such assassinations can be carried out in the comfort of a control center many thousands of kilometers away with just a few button presses. No need for all that messy onsite presence with associated disposal problems.

The interesting question is, what transgression has Saudi Arabia committed, or what plan is afoot, that is it is now suddenly the focus of an unprecedented and coordinated campaign of vilification supported by all manner gory details, for what is effectively "business as usual" for that regime. Surely it can't just be one more, admittedly gruesome, alleged assassination of anyway one of its own citizens. There must be more to it than that.

Neither can it be the fact that Khashoggi worked in some capacity for a media organisation. The treatment of Julian Assange demonstrates that this in itself brings no such special privileges or attention.

Maybe, had they instead, used a Reaper drone to deal with Khashoggi, there would not have been all this fuss. Could it all simply be a message that they should hurry up with their purchase of these drones ?
I do love some of the hilariously loony tunes stuff I read on this site.

Tell me, me.anon, how many assassinations involving summary snatching, torture and dismemberment can you name that have been carried out at an embassy lately while the person was going in to get something as innocuous as official divorce papers? And you also think the Saudis can use reaper drones to carry out these assassinations in foreign countries like Turkey, in populated residential areas, in future?

Just... wow.

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I do love some of the hilariously loony tunes stuff I read on this site.

Tell me, me.anon, how many assassinations involving summary snatching, torture and dismemberment can you name that have been carried out at an embassy lately while the person was going in to get something as innocuous as official divorce papers? And you also think the Saudis can use reaper drones to carry out these assassinations in foreign countries like Turkey in future?

Just... wow.
Do you live under a rock?
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Do you live under a rock?
Can you explain which part of the statement deserves this comment? Do you mean gruesome killings in embassies in Turkey are a commonality and one should be living under a rock to think otherwise. Or is it some other part of the statement that you object to?
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Can you explain which part of the statement deserves this comment? Do you mean gruesome killings in embassies in Turkey are a commonality and one should be living under a rock to think otherwise. Or is it some other part of the statement that you object to?
The last time I checked the killer drones kill over populated areas:
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Domestic buildings have been hit by drone strikes more than any other type of target in the CIA’s 10-year campaign in the tribal regions of northern Pakistan, new research reveals.

By way of contrast, since 2008, in neighbouring Afghanistan drone strikes on buildings have been banned in all but the most urgent situations, as part of measures to protect civilian lives. But a new investigative project by the Bureau, Forensic Architecture, a research project based at London’s Goldsmiths University, and New York-based Situ Research, reveals that in Pakistan, domestic buildings continue to be the most frequent target of drone attacks.
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Because it isn't Turkish territory.
Wasn't a consulate actually and not an embassy? I'm not sure they have the same status.
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Can you explain which part of the statement deserves this comment? Do you mean gruesome killings in embassies in Turkey are a commonality and one should be living under a rock to think otherwise. Or is it some other part of the statement that you object to?
Relax! I'm not insulting your Glorious Fatherland.
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Relax! I'm not insulting your Glorious Fatherland.
Well my question was sincere actually. I really did not understand what part of the statement you did not agree with. I still do not understand what is it with the drones but maybe I will read the posts again when I go home.
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Old 19.10.2018, 17:27
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I do love some of the hilariously loony tunes stuff I read on this site.

Tell me, me.anon, how many assassinations involving summary snatching, torture and dismemberment can you name that have been carried out at an embassy lately while the person was going in to get something as innocuous as official divorce papers? And you also think the Saudis can use reaper drones to carry out these assassinations in foreign countries like Turkey, in populated residential areas, in future?

Just... wow.
The issue is that the Western media has been extremely tolerant of Saudi behaviour up until now which is includes :
- Beheadings
- Crucifictions
- Disappearances
- Torture
- Grisly killings
- Atrocities in Yemen.
- promoting terrorism
- etc.

So, again, what is new about the alleged Khashoggi incident that has caused the media to whip up "moral" outrage now when it has been remarkably silent in the past ?

Is it, as you have suggested, because it was an assassination ? Surely not. These happen all the time and are hardly mentioned.
Is it then because it happened in an embassy building ? This would certainly be at least a breach of diplomatic protocol but could not alone explain the reaction.
Is it then because there was torture involved ? This is naturally unpleasant but is not new and has been useful in the past for "special renditions" on behalf of Western governments.
Is it because the body was dismembered ? Nasty, but how many of the 40 children killed in the school bus incident of 9.August 2018 were not "dismembered" by shrapnel from a 220Kg bomb ?
Is it because he was applying for divorce papers ? Really ?

As for the Reaper drones, maybe the Saudis will heed the advice you've given and not use them in populated areas in selected foreign countries. But, again, assassination caused by them (and collateral damage - wedding parties etc.) seem to be exempt from the media attention, whoever uses them.

It must be clear I'm not attempting to justify any of the actions, in fact I find these abhorrent, I'm simply pointing out that there is a disconnect between the media handling of Saudi Arabia in the past and now which has not been satisfactorily explained.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

well here's an explanation for the outrage this time

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...016-story.html
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So, again, what is new about the alleged Khashoggi incident that has caused the media to whip up "moral" outrage now when it has been remarkably silent in the past ?
"alleged incident"?

I haven't been there to confirm but by now not many people seem to deny that an incident did took place - it's only the nature of the incident that remains a point of discussion

As of why the fuss, well, the media do seem to have a particular sensitivity for when outspoken activists get murdered by brutal dictatorships. Yes, murders do happen all the time, and no murder can be considered less justified than another, but it's the symbolism of it that's at play here. Journalist or dissident killings have always made the news, why would this one be less deserving the attention than other cases in the past...

For better or worse, this is how politics works - it's usually the small symbolic events that trigger people
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Relax! I'm not insulting your Glorious Fatherland.
On second thoughts, I don't know why I bother to take what you are saying seriously.
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