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Revealation of the 'naked truth' by Erdogan was rather disappointing. No mention of audio/video evidences. Looks like everyone out there (Trump, Erdogan) want to make some sort of 'business deal' with Saudis. They want to blackmail Saudis to get oil and investment.
They are all arseholes. And the people who support them don't have much much between the ears

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Journalist brutally murdered, killed, or died under dubious circumstances within the last 13 months (incomplete list, although all deserved to be named and remembered it is just too sad and depressing. A nine page (!) long non-exhaustive (!) list of Journalist killed in 2018 is maintained by the UNESCO
What are you trying to say with this post? That, Khashoggi's murder is not worthy of attention because other journalists have been murdered elsewhere? Every one of them deserves attention but don't you think the circumstances of this one is particularly peculiar?

1. Happens inside an embassy
2. Seems to be ordered by the countries top officials
3. Body not found, thought to be cut up into pieces and disposed of.

We know journalists reporting on political issues/groups of interest or criminal organizations or are killed almost every day. Besides many of the murders you listed seems to have been ordered/committed by criminals, which is surely different to the case we are talking about.

I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping this in the news. Just because others have been forgotten does not mean this should be brushed under the rug either. If nothing else, the developments serves to highlight the hypocrisy of the world's leading nations.
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What are you trying to say with this post? That, Khashoggi's murder is not worthy of attention because other journalists have been murdered elsewhere? Every one of them deserves attention but don't you think the circumstances of this one is particularly peculiar?

1. Happens inside an embassy
2. Seems to be ordered by the countries top officials
3. Body not found, thought to be cut up into pieces and disposed of.

We know journalists reporting on political issues/groups of interest or criminal organizations or are killed almost every day. Besides many of the murders you listed seems to have been ordered/committed by criminals, which is surely different to the case we are talking about.

I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping this in the news. Just because others have been forgotten does not mean this should be brushed under the rug either. If nothing else, the developments serves to highlight the hypocrisy of the world's leading nations.
Agree with this, it's not just the murder, but the way in which it was done. How did they ever think they would get away with it? Or perhaps they didn't and it was the plan all along.

Of that list, the only deaths that really shock are the ones in Malta and Slovakia, as they show high level corruption in EU member states which are supposedly whiter than white (both journalists had been investigating the misuse of EU funds). The motive for Victoria Marinova remains unclear however she had also been investigating similar corruption in Bulgaria. The murder of journalists in Latin America and Russia is I'm afraid par for course.

This story should run and run if only to remind the world what a despicable country Saudi is, and why the world should turn their back on them. That we have to rely on Erdogan for this, who regularly puts journalists in prison and closes down newspapers, is a real stomach churner though.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Just heard breaking news that Khashoggi's body parts have been found, and his face was severely disfigured. Problem is, Erdogan claims the body "is still missing". Hmmm...

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What are you trying to say with this post? That, Khashoggi's murder is not worthy of attention because other journalists have been murdered elsewhere?
I read aSITU's post as highlighting a wider issue that journalists are being killed; adding to the impact of Khashoggi, rather than taking anything away.
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Just heard breaking news that Khashoggi's body parts have been found, and his face was severely disfigured. Problem is, Erdogan claims the body "is still missing". Hmmm...

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sourc...found-11533202
The article also says that the king and crown prince have been publicly expressing their condolences.

"It comes as pictures have been published of the journalist's son, Salah Khashoggi, meeting the Gulf kingdom's ruler, King Salman and his son, crown prince Mohamed Bin Salman, at the Yamama Palace in Riyadh on Tuesday.

Mr Khashoggi's brother, Sahel, was also at the meeting at which the the king and crown prince expressed their condolences over the the Washington Post columnist's death."


Don't suppose refusing to meet the king/crown prince would have been an option. Pretty sick if he/they gave the go-ahead for the killing and are just using the bereaved relatives for PR purposes.
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Don't suppose refusing to meet the king/crown prince would have been an option. Pretty sick if he/they gave the go-ahead for the killing and are just using the bereaved relatives for PR purposes.
Yeah, great PR move, "we're suspected of killing him, but look, his son is OK with it!"

I wonder how much they are paying their PR advisers, cause so far they've just kept digging their hole deeper and deeper with every attempt to cover up the story
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

And the closer I look at this the more I am convinced CIA was aware of the Saudi operation (can a squad of 15 fly unobserved?) and they must have also informed the US administration right before or soon after Khashoggi was chopped. Trump will have seen it as a gift from heaven as it offered the best of all opportunities to get the "crown prince" down on his knees. Saudi oil faucets were turned on full blast as a result, leading to a 10% price drop in a week and granting cheaper OPEC imports just a couple of weeks ahead of Iran sanctions coming into effect. Selling weapons for billions and getting cheaper oil in one go, what more from your beloved ally in middle east second just to Israel?
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Just heard breaking news that Khashoggi's body parts have been found, and his face was severely disfigured. Problem is, Erdogan claims the body "is still missing". Hmmm...

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sourc...found-11533202
Sky news. What a joke. Just more fake bullshit!
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well my question was sincere actually. I really did not understand what part of the statement you did not agree with. I still do not understand what is it with the drones but maybe i will read the posts again when i go home.
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lol.
My favourite is the post where she realises that she can't take anything seriously written by someone who calls himself "Dougal's Breakfast" on an internet forum.

You'd think the clue would be in the name! 😂
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You'd think the clue would be in the name! 😂

But her own user name means "cat" in Turkish
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That we have to rely on Erdogan for this, who regularly puts journalists in prison and closes down newspapers, is a real stomach churner though.


And Erdogan is doing all this because he is a good Samaritan fighting for human rights and press freedom. Not in any way because he has had increasing beef with the Saudis when he tried to establish his Turkey as a regional power in the Muslim world.


The Turkish support the Muslim brotherhood across the middle East, the Saudis rather kill them.


The Turkish decided to support Qatar in the diplomatic crisis right in the face of the Saudi led group of Arab countries...


That Saudi crown prince probably responsible for the murder called Turkey part of a “triangle of evil”: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1GJ1WW




This story was only cooking this long and boiling up as much pressure as it did because Turkish newspapers close to the AKP kept on getting intel and publishing every day a tiny new bit. If the western world did not care about the humanitarian situation and the Saudi war crimes in Yemen over the last three years... lets just say that I am sure that a lot of the industry leaders who did not go to Saudi this week only did so for PR reasons, not genuine moral objections.
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In order for Turkish police to close the embassy, Turkey would have to cut off diplomatic relations with Saudia Arabia entirely. That's quite a drastic action.

Odd that Turkey makes such a fuss when it's been government policy for the last couple of years to silence journalists the Turkish government doesn't like. (Shutting down newspapers, imprisonment).
Agreed. Have been silently thinking that it's a bit the pot calling the kettle black... but so horrifying that I'm totally "Team Turkey" to take some action. I guess I squint and look the other way on all of their atrocities until after this cluster has been resolved?

Sigh. What a world we're living in.
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And Erdogan is doing all this because he is a good Samaritan fighting for human rights and press freedom. Not in any way because he has had increasing beef with the Saudis when he tried to establish his Turkey as a regional power in the Muslim world.


The Turkish support the Muslim brotherhood across the middle East, the Saudis rather kill them.


The Turkish decided to support Qatar in the diplomatic crisis right in the face of the Saudi led group of Arab countries...


That Saudi crown prince probably responsible for the murder called Turkey part of a “triangle of evil”: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1GJ1WW




This story was only cooking this long and boiling up as much pressure as it did because Turkish newspapers close to the AKP kept on getting intel and publishing every day a tiny new bit. If the western world did not care about the humanitarian situation and the Saudi war crimes in Yemen over the last three years... lets just say that I am sure that a lot of the industry leaders who did not go to Saudi this week only did so for PR reasons, not genuine moral objections.
yes of course.all are hypocrite. Look at the Prime Minister of Australia. Apologized in parliament for sex crimes. No doubt some of the members in parliament looking on were also paedophile!!!
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yes of course.all are hypocrite. Look at the Prime Minister of Australia. Apologized in parliament for sex crimes. No doubt some of the members in parliament looking on were also paedophile!!!
I don't think potential pedos are the issue. He said in his speech that he is so sorry for the harm that was done to the children. At the same time does he keep children locked up on Nauru in concentration camps for over five years... I get that he wants to play hardliner, but I do not understand why he does it on the back of children. And even turns down offers from other countries to rescue the people he is killing.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

I still dont know why the Saudis didn't say that the hit squad were just a football team who had wanted to visit the Hagia Sophia as they had heard it had a wonderous dome. Seriously won't these assassins ever learn?

Even Trip Advisor has a list of things to do on a day trip in Istanbul.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Trump-"the worst cover up ever". Meaning-" why didn't you cover it up better ?"!
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I don't think potential pedos are the issue. He said in his speech that he is so sorry for the harm that was done to the children. At the same time does he keep children locked up on Nauru in concentration camps for over five years... I get that he wants to play hardliner, but I do not understand why he does it on the back of children. And even turns down offers from other countries to rescue the people he is killing.
Australia is a land of pedos and sex perverts. THats obvious!
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I still dont know why the Saudis didn't say that the hit squad were just a football team who had wanted to visit the Hagia Sophia as they had heard it had a wonderous dome. Seriously won't these assassins ever learn?

Even Trip Advisor has a list of things to do on a day trip in Istanbul.
Any updates there yet?
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