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Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

If he was murdered in the Embassy why doesn't the Turkish police close the Embassy and do a full examination for blood,DNA etc!?
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If he was murdered in the Embassy why doesn't the Turkish police close the Embassy and do a full examination for blood,DNA etc!?
Because it isn't Turkish territory.
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Because it isn't Turkish territory.
Its on Turkish land.
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Its on Turkish land.
It isn't.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Pretty grim when you read the theories about what's happened. Puts paid to anyone who thinks that Saudi is seriously on the road to modernising.
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It isn't.
"Host country is the ultimate owner of the property. They can kick out the embassy staffs or can stop the operation of embassy anytime."

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Host country is the ultimate owner of the property. They can kick out the embassy staffs or can stop the operation of embassy anytime.
Lol. If u say so.
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Lol. If u say so.
No I don't say so. It was a quote from an article
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

I just don't understand why Saudi Arabia doesn't tell the truth. The 15 man team sent from Saudi Arabia was in Istanbul on tourism.
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I just don't understand why Saudi Arabia doesn't tell the truth. The 15 man team sent from Saudi Arabia was in Istanbul on tourism.
Team tourism. Or death squad-complete with forensic expert to clean up the bloody mess after they cut him in pieces
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

Mr Trump has spoken." we'll see what happens"! Thats obvious. This must be Trumps life motto. Usually what he say's when he can't give an intelligible answer. Which is 99% of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mTv8unqFbQ

PS: Good timing for the release of the Pastor. Right before mid term. What did Trump pay to Erdogan to get him released?!

"we'll see what happens"!

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"Host country is the ultimate owner of the property. They can kick out the embassy staffs or can stop the operation of embassy anytime."
This is actually correct, the territory and property is Turkish no matter what embassy lies within it. Omtasat just owned DB. Hilarious.

The entire story is just horrendous and for SA to do this so openly is just staggeringly arrogant and evil and just reaffirms my extreme dislike of the country.
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If he was murdered in the Embassy why doesn't the Turkish police close the Embassy and do a full examination for blood,DNA etc!?
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the premises of diplomatic missions usually remain under the jurisdiction of the host state while being afforded special privileges (such as immunity from most local laws) by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Diplomats themselves still retain full diplomatic immunity, and (as an adherent to the Vienna Convention) the host country may not enter the premises of the mission without permission of the represented country, even to put out a fire. International rules designate an attack on an embassy as an attack on the country it represents.
In order for Turkish police to close the embassy, Turkey would have to cut off diplomatic relations with Saudia Arabia entirely. That's quite a drastic action.

Odd that Turkey makes such a fuss when it's been government policy for the last couple of years to silence journalists the Turkish government doesn't like. (Shutting down newspapers, imprisonment).
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Old 13.10.2018, 08:56
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In order for Turkish police to close the embassy, Turkey would have to cut off diplomatic relations with Saudia Arabia entirely. That's quite a drastic action.
They don't have to close it. They have to get in there and do a complete forensic test. But Turkey does not want that. They just want to keep the whole guessing game going to get at Saudi Arabia for as long as it takes
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Old 13.10.2018, 08:59
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They don't have to close it. They have to get in there and do a complete forensic test.
Well no, because that will cause a diplomatic row, you cannot just walk into an embassy and start investigating, even if that building is on your land and in your country
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

If it was on USA soil they would be in there the next day
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If it was on USA soil they would be in there the next day
Turkey isn't the USA.

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ETA: although it wasn't so long ago that Turkish diplomatic bodyguards were beating up US nationals on US soil right in front of US police officers, so...
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Old 13.10.2018, 09:32
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

It’s a shitty start of weekend to follow story like that ...

One has to be referred to Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations 1961 and paragraphs in:
http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instru...s/9_1_1961.pdf

Article 21
1. The receiving State shall either facilitate the acquisition on its territory, in accordance with its laws, by the sending State of premises necessary for its mission or assist the latter in obtaining accommodation in some other way.
2. It shall also, where necessary, assist missions in obtaining suitable accommodation for their members.

Article 22
1. The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of the receiving State may not enter them, except with the consent of the head of the mission.
2. The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity.
3. The premises of the mission, their furnishings and other property thereon and the means of transport of the mission shall be immune from search, requisition, attachment or execution.

Article 23
1. The sending State and the head of the mission shall be exempt from all national, regional or municipal dues and taxes in respect of the premises of the mission, whether owned or leased, other than such as represent payment for specific services rendered.
2. The exemption from taxation referred to in this article shall not apply to such dues and taxes payable under the law of the receiving State by persons contracting with the sending State or the head of the mission.

Article 24
The archives and documents of the mission shall be inviolable at any time and wherever they may be.

Article 25
The receiving State shall accord full facilities for the performance of the functions of the mission.


According to this, practically the Sending State can do whatever they please and worry about consequences of its action later until the Receiving State will have interfered in the future.
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Re: Khashoggi in Saudi Embassy.

And why did he go in alone? Would have been logical that someone came with him.
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And why did he go in alone? Would have been logical that someone came with him.
I doubt he expected to be kidnapped and murdered in an embassy.
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