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02.11.2018, 23:49
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| | EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021
Probably a good idea!
But does anybody know if they have a good solution for dog sh#t?
I don't fancy the idea of a multi use plastic bag 
Paper bags likely too fragile!
Just wondering!
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03.11.2018, 00:01
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021
They will ban dogs. | Quote: | |  | | | Probably a good idea!
But does anybody know if they have a good solution for dog sh#t?
I don't fancy the idea of a multi use plastic bag 
Paper bags likely too fragile!
Just wondering! | | | | | | The following 5 users would like to thank nickatbasel for this useful post: | | 
03.11.2018, 02:55
| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | Probably a good idea!
But does anybody know if they have a good solution for dog sh#t?
I don't fancy the idea of a multi use plastic bag 
Paper bags likely too fragile!
Just wondering! | | | | | Washable dog nappies?
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03.11.2018, 07:25
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | But does anybody know if they have a good solution for dog sh#t? | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | They will ban dogs. | | | | | Nah, Switzerland would just switch to bio-degradable bags.
And quadruple the dog tax. (TIS)
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03.11.2018, 07:53
| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021
Your EU overlords have decided for you, and you’re going to have to foot the bill. Dig deep comrades!
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03.11.2018, 08:14
| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | Probably a good idea!
But does anybody know if they have a good solution for dog sh#t?
I don't fancy the idea of a multi use plastic bag 
Paper bags likely too fragile!
Just wondering! | | | | | Perhaps you should look at the proposal. The ban only affects stuff for which there are easily available alternatives - and particularly stuff that causes the most problems in the marine environment: | Quote: |  | | | With the amount of harmful plastic litter in oceans and seas growing ever greater, the European Commission proposed today new EU-wide rules to target the 10 single-use plastic products most often found on Europe's beaches and seas, as well as lost and abandoned fishing gear.
Together these constitute 70% of all marine litter items. The new rules are proportionate and tailored to get the best results. This means different measures will be applied to different products. Where alternatives are readily available and affordable, single-use plastic products will be banned from the market. For products without straight-forward alternatives, the focus is on limiting their use through a national reduction in consumption....
Where alternatives are readily available and affordable, single-use plastic products will be banned from the market. The ban will apply to plastic cotton buds, cutlery, plates, straws, drink stirrers and sticks for balloon | | | | | https://ec.europa.eu/commission/news...2018-may-28_en | Quote: | |  | | | Your EU overlords have decided for you, and you’re going to have to foot the bill. Dig deep comrades! | | | | | Of course if you don't give a flying f**k for the marine environment you can follow Loz's approach.
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03.11.2018, 08:31
| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: |  | | | Of course if you don't give a flying f**k for the marine environment you can follow Loz's approach. | | | | | I do care about the marine environment, however banning “plastic cotton buds, cutlery, plates, straws, drink stirrers and sticks for balloons” will have zero effect on the marine environment.
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03.11.2018, 08:51
| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | I do care about the marine environment, however banning “plastic cotton buds, cutlery, plates, straws, drink stirrers and sticks for balloons” will have zero effect on the marine environment. | | | | | Funny you should say that... | The following 4 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
03.11.2018, 09:00
| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | I do care about the marine environment, however banning “plastic cotton buds, cutlery, plates, straws, drink stirrers and sticks for balloons” will have zero effect on the marine environment. | | | | | You mean exactly the stuff that, together with discarded fishing gear, accounts for 70% of marine litter?
Now go away and talk to a marine biologist.
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03.11.2018, 09:24
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: |  | | | You mean exactly the stuff that, together with discarded fishing gear, accounts for 70% of marine litter?
Now go away and talk to a marine biologist. | | | | | the EU should go one step further: don't import goods from countries that allow single-use plastics, and for once use its power in a good way.
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03.11.2018, 09:57
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | Nah, Switzerland would just switch to bio-degradable bags..... | | | | | Wouldn't that make good sense for dog-shit anyway? Law or not? | The following 2 users would like to thank curley for this useful post: | | 
03.11.2018, 11:16
| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | Your EU overlords have decided for you, and you’re going to have to foot the bill. Dig deep comrades! | | | | | Oh and btw...voted on by the directly elected European parliament.
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03.11.2018, 11:44
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: |  | | | Oh and btw...voted on by the directly elected European parliament. | | | | | Stop quoting facts; it hurts people's prejudices | The following 3 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
03.11.2018, 13:05
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | I do care about the marine environment, however banning “plastic cotton buds, cutlery, plates, straws, drink stirrers and sticks for balloons” will have zero effect on the marine environment. | | | | | How wrong you are. Straws, plastic plates etc do effect the marine environment and are often found in the stomachs or dead marine animals. They also take years to degrade and is why now most fish we eat contains plastic, which then remains in our bodies.
There are many alternatives to plastic straws and one is, do you really need a straw to drink from? Nice for young kids perhaps (though my kids shun them) but for adults?
Plastic stirrers. What's wrong with long metal spoons?
They also make re-usable plates and cups from plastic if you're worried about breakages but otherwise nothing wrong with ceramic.
And plastic bags. Don't get me started on that!
So for once good on the EU and an excellent suggestion from k-and-e.
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03.11.2018, 14:28
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | Wouldn't that make good sense for dog-shit anyway? Law or not?  | | | | | I vaguely remember a proposal to do so some years ago. IIRC, the objection was that the bags would dissolve too quickly, leaving a slurry o' poo fermenting in the Robidogs - which would be unpleasant for passers-by, let alone the person whose job it would be to empty the Robidogs.
But from what I have seen of compostable kitchen waste bags, these don't compost very quickly. Obviously an enclosed bin of poo would decompose at a different rate than my garden compost bin, but still...
Maybe emptying Robidogs more often would allow for decomposable poo bags. I imagine that many dog owners wouldn't object to a sensible increase in the the dog tax to provide a more ecological solution..
I've tried a couple versions of new (ish) paper scoop bags. At the risk of TMI these work OK when picking up firm poo but 'pudding' poo or worse - not so much. And the last thing we want is to make it harder to scoop the poop - we don't want to give anyone an excuse.
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03.11.2018, 14:32
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | I do care about the marine environment, however banning “plastic cotton buds, cutlery, plates, straws, drink stirrers and sticks for balloons” will have zero effect on the marine environment. | | | | | How much of stuff that I put in the trash in Switzerland ends up in the sea?
Tom
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03.11.2018, 14:41
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | How much of stuff that I put in the trash in Switzerland ends up in the sea? 
Tom | | | | | Probably too much! Kassensturz did a story on this here, German language.
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03.11.2018, 15:08
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | I vaguely remember a proposal to do so some years ago. IIRC, the objection was that the bags would dissolve too quickly, leaving a slurry o' poo fermenting in the Robidogs - which would be unpleasant for passers-by, let alone the person whose job it would be to empty the Robidogs.
But from what I have seen of compostable kitchen waste bags, these don't compost very quickly. Obviously an enclosed bin of poo would decompose at a different rate than my garden compost bin, but still...
Maybe emptying Robidogs more often would allow for decomposable poo bags. I imagine that many dog owners wouldn't object to a sensible increase in the the dog tax to provide a more ecological solution..
I've tried a couple versions of new (ish) paper scoop bags. At the risk of TMI these work OK when picking up firm poo but 'pudding' poo or worse - not so much. And the last thing we want is to make it harder to scoop the poop - we don't want to give anyone an excuse. | | | | | I smell a market niche
After all robidog is a Swiss invention, it's only logical they refine this.
So, dog owners: Something to do this winter: Campaign and lobby for it!
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03.11.2018, 17:05
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| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | Probably too much! Kassensturz did a story on this here, German language. | | | | | This does not mention at all that it ‘ends up in the sea’. It states that some of it that is supposed to be recycled is burned.
The overwhelming majority of plastics ends up in the oceans through rivers in underdeveloped countries, 86% in Asia. Rather than these symbolic laws, the EU should invest in waste disposal systems there.
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04.11.2018, 00:19
| | Re: EU Voted To Ban Single-Use Plastics By 2021 | Quote: | |  | | | This does not mention at all that it ‘ends up in the sea’. It states that some of it that is supposed to be recycled is burned.
The overwhelming majority of plastics ends up in the oceans through rivers in underdeveloped countries, 86% in Asia. Rather than these symbolic laws, the EU should invest in waste disposal systems there. | | | | | This is the point, EU just virtue signalling. A meaningless exercise so people like baboon can feel like they’re making a difference.
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