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How is China trying to steal national security secrets from the US? In some cases, by recruiting former American intelligence officials. Anderson Cooper reports. https://cbsn.ws/2CwiaE2
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Old 25.12.2018, 13:34
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How is China trying to steal national security secrets from the US? In some cases, by recruiting former American intelligence officials. Anderson Cooper reports. https://cbsn.ws/2CwiaE2
Wasn't the main question about the methods employed by the US to sabotage the performance of targeted foreign companies through bogus accusations of spying and theft of data in order to destroy competition ?

Anyway, Ex-spooks do tend to attempt to sell themselves to the highest bidder. Isn't that how the infamous Trump dossier was put together ?
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Old 25.12.2018, 18:18
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Just to state the obvious - we are looking at a RT. Russia Today isn't exactly the sort of media channel I would trust on spy stories... or be surprised about them to have a critical spin on literally anything the West does.


That said: The US is banning a major tech firm based on allegations alone. Without any sort of proof or even just indicators. I am wondering how they can do this to another WTO nation easily...
They are the US, they can do that.
Surely, WTO allows for a "National Security" card to be played as a kind of joker-card?

That said, the vision China is having for its own country - I surely don't want to live in such a place.
The "pax americana" is taking a toll on our nerves - but a "pax serica" (or whatever) is a dystopian nightmare.

The hardware and software is available to track every move of every citizen 24x7. Our politicians just have some reservations to go all-in on this (a couple more terrorist attacks will be enough, though) - but Chinese people have no problem whatsoever to be tracked and traced all day.
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Our politicians just have some reservations to go all-in on this (a couple more terrorist attacks will be enough, though) - but Chinese people have no problem whatsoever to be tracked and traced all day.
It is a thought that bothers me for quite a while already. We elect our gevernments with our own votes and then don't trust them any further than we can throw them. And people like the Chinese, who have no say in who "governs" them, seem to ~generally have more trust in their leaders.

Maybe time for us westerners to think about new ways on how we could elect people that are actually trusworthy?
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Maybe time for us westerners to think about new ways on how we could elect people that are actually trusworthy?
Ever since I was eligible to vote I only had the chance to vote for a lesser evil.
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Old 26.12.2018, 03:09
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Ever since I was eligible to vote I only had the chance to vote for a lesser evil.
So what did you do about it? If you don’t like the candidates on offer you have two choices either you accept it or work to change it, the choice is up to you.
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Maybe time for us westerners to think about new ways on how we could elect people that are actually trusworthy?
That is a nice idea, but totally unrealistic! We fully accept that there will be corruption in government, but we also know that there will be many people of integrity in government as well and we rely on a series of checks and balances to allow those people have a chance to defect corruption and flag it up.

If you live in a country where there is little or no corruption be reported, be very afraid, it means the system is broken!
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Ever since I was eligible to vote I only had the chance to vote for a lesser evil.
Because you can likely only pick and choose from a list of "somehow" pre-approved candidates, not exactly a free choice. I wonder as well, if it should be possible to actively "un-elect" or downvote some names.
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Because you can likely only pick and choose from a list of "somehow" pre-approved candidates, not exactly a free choice. I wonder as well, if it should be possible to actively "un-elect" or downvote some names.
If it was only about the names... In my country the votes go to the party. It does not matter which candidate name was on the voting list
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So in your country, the people who ultimately decide, who gets on the ballot and who doesn't, might be unelected party-apparatchiks?
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Re: Huawei China national security THREAT

Huawei-such a shit phone
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President Trump is reportedly considering an executive order to declare a national emergency that would bar U.S. companies from using telecommunications equipment made by China’s Huawei and ZTE.
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Old 27.12.2018, 10:57
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This is a train message in China. I'll take the US over China any day of the week, thanks.


Not quite seeing the dystopia here, where is the difference (at the end of the day) between this and getting on a Betreibungsliste?
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Huawei-such a shit phone
I bought some Huawei AM61 earbuds.
They aren't great either.

I'm reminded of the old adage, 'Buy cheap, buy twice'.
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president trump is reportedly considering an executive order to declare a national emergency that would bar u.s. Companies from using telecommunications equipment made by china’s huawei and zte.
lol
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Re: Huawei China national security THREAT

U.S. Message to World With Huawei Case: Don’t Trust China on 5G

The indictments, are a direct attack on Huawei’s credibility.

The U.S. alleges that Ren and Meng misrepresented Huawei’s business with Iran to the American government and four financial institutions since 2007, in violation of U.S. sanctions. The indictment also accused the company of destroying evidence once it became aware of the investigation.

The other set of charges cite emails between Huawei USA and China to explain how engineers conspired to steal trade secrets from T-Mobile USA Inc. They show how employees in China repeatedly pressed their colleagues to collect key information on “Tappy,” a robot used to test mobile phones that Huawei wanted for its own use.


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Re: Huawei China national security THREAT

if iran sanctions and tappy is the best the US could come up with, then i guess the company is pretty clean.
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Re: Huawei China national security THREAT

Any country trying to preserve their (former) technological advantage (that the US mostly got through stealing anyway...) through banning foreign technology is bound to fail. Funnily enough, look at China in the 17/18/19th century to see how and why..
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if iran sanctions and tappy is the best the US could come up with, then i guess the company is pretty clean.
And we are talking about those Iran sanctions most of the EU does not agree to anyways. Even the CIA thinks Iran is following the deal... only Trump personally knows how bad these guys are and this has nothing at all to do with his Saudi connection... bigly.



The rest including the tapping are unproven allegations.
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A quick summary at what's currently blocked in China:

- Google
- Facebook
- YouTube
- Vimeo
- Daily Motion
- Wikipedia (Chinese)
- Twitter
- Netflix
- Instagram
- Tumblr
- WhatsApp
- BBC
- (the failing) New York Times
- Bloomberg
- The FT
- The Independent
- Reuters
- WSJ
- TIME
- The Economist
- Bing

Huawei and China can fook off.
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