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Old 31.01.2019, 10:21
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not to mention all the foreign companies that are blocked from doing direct business and face huge tariffs there...
Unlike the US which has not tariffs in place at all...

Seriously - Huawei is an infrastructure company. They have nothing to do with Media companies and newspapers. There used to be a dozen or so players, but by now are there only four big names left that can compete on the newest gen technology: Huawei, ZTE, Ericsson and Nokia. While the last two sound rather European is most of their actual manufacturing done in China. So anyone who is scared of getting some spy stuff build into their 5G network… there isnt really any way around China (theoretically could you use Samsung, but nobody outside Korea seems to buy their infra stuff, so it probably sucks…). There certainly is not US alternative around.

P.S: I love the way the West spins the story about how the Chinese censor the internet… what the Chinese did was to stop American companies from collecting all the data they did in Europe and the rest of the world. By now do we know what this data can and is being used for. Snowden showed us what the US government is doing with it and thanks to Cambridge analytica do we know how others are manipulating us. The Chinese simply decided to not give away control over their internet… and very honestly - I dont trust Facebook and the others the tiniest bit. More than once did I wonder if the Chinese got it right and we Europeans once again let the US screw us over.
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Old 31.01.2019, 10:35
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A quick summary at what's currently blocked in China:

- Google
- Facebook
- YouTube
- Vimeo
- Daily Motion
- Wikipedia (Chinese)
- Twitter
- Netflix
- Instagram
- Tumblr
- WhatsApp
- BBC
- (the failing) New York Times
- Bloomberg
- The FT
- The Independent
- Reuters
- WSJ
- TIME
- The Economist
- Bing

Huawei and China can fook off.
all companies that do not comply with China's censorship laws. google was looking to write a compliant search engine but it got shutdown due to internal employee resistance against supporting censorship.
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Old 31.01.2019, 10:38
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Unlike the US which has not tariffs in place at all...

Seriously - Huawei is an infrastructure company. They have nothing to do with Media companies and newspapers. There used to be a dozen or so players, but by now are there only four big names left that can compete on the newest gen technology: Huawei, ZTE, Ericsson and Nokia. While the last two sound rather European is most of their actual manufacturing done in China. So anyone who is scared of getting some spy stuff build into their 5G network… there isnt really any way around China (theoretically could you use Samsung, but nobody outside Korea seems to buy their infra stuff, so it probably sucks…). There certainly is not US alternative around.

P.S: I love the way the West spins the story about how the Chinese censor the internet… what the Chinese did was to stop American companies from collecting all the data they did in Europe and the rest of the world. By now do we know what this data can and is being used for. Snowden showed us what the US government is doing with it and thanks to Cambridge analytica do we know how others are manipulating us. The Chinese simply decided to not give away control over their internet… and very honestly - I dont trust Facebook and the others the tiniest bit. More than once did I wonder if the Chinese got it right and we Europeans once again let the US screw us over.
agree with you. EU is generally protectionist, but perhaps in tech the EU is weak. a lot of the tech champions or potential champions have been bought out. from a tech perspective, we are now just a colony of the US.
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And we are talking about those Iran sanctions most of the EU does not agree to anyways. Even the CIA thinks Iran is following the deal... only Trump personally knows how bad these guys are and this has nothing at all to do with his Saudi connection... bigly.
It has all to do with Israel security. Unless you want to say that Saudis have better lobbying in US.
AIPAC et all were all out to dismantle the Iran deal, and tell me a US congressperson or senator that would risk their ire.
And congress vote was needed for that, not just Trump's signature.
And long before the same interests pushed US to supply arms to Syrian rebels, as we all know from the released H. Clinton emails and what Benghazi consulate attack revealed.
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Old 31.01.2019, 11:42
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Re: Huawei China national security THREAT

that pic on the first post:









is the implication that the the part on the right is the contents of the chip? because that's plain dumb. If they are saying that the "chip" is inside a computer. that smd is most likely a 1608 or 2012 i find it hard to believe that they are doing silicon lithography to fit a functional "spying chip" (whatever that means) in an smd that size
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Old 31.01.2019, 12:14
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Re: Huawei China national security THREAT

Anyone who still believes the in the credibility of the "Rule of Law" mantra eminating from Canada in the Huawai case could look at this case:

https://www.jurist.org/news/2019/01/...se-and-turkey/

to understand that there is no rule of law where the US is concerned, there is only might is right. As indeed could the judges who are participating in the Meng Wanzhou extradition hearings. And as we see, all the protections built in to the age old structure of Government based on the separation of the Legislature, the Judiciary and the the Executive break down when the Legislature rapidly churns out situation specific laws, as the US appears to be doing, redolent of corrupt dictatorship. Unfortunate for Canada in this case is that it has got itself into the situation that it must implement them.

Viewed in the context of the virulence of the attack by the USA on the Chinese companies which lead the field in 5th Generation Communications technology, with the transparent motive of sabotaging their performance on the pretext of bogus national security concerns and miscellaneous trumpted up espionage charges, it must be clear that the Meng Wanzhou arrest is primarily politically motivated.
That, together with the extra-territorial nature of the main charges and the irrelevance of the subsidiary charges to a companies CFO.

The national security arguments are ridiculous. A state actor with sufficient resources could almost certainly collapse a complete telecoms infrastructure irrespective of which country builds, supplies or operates it. The same applies to building in spying modules or otherwise compromising it. Canada should remember the attacks from the US, both political and technical, on its "Blackberry" communications infrastructure (it was once the "must have" secure system/handset for business users), and the company itself, effectively destroying it, to understand this.

Canada has exposed itself to this situation because it has effectively subordinated its legal process to the whims of US political machinations with an extradition treaty without any safeguards to quickly deal with such an obvious injustice. It would be wise to consider amending the treaty to limit the risk of a repeat.
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Old 31.01.2019, 12:24
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that pic on the first post:









is the implication that the the part on the right is the contents of the chip? because that's plain dumb. If they are saying that the "chip" is inside a computer. that smd is most likely a 1608 or 2012 i find it hard to believe that they are doing silicon lithography to fit a functional "spying chip" (whatever that means) in an smd that size
the thing on the right is a computer motherboard. the claim is that a chip the size of a pencil tip was added to the board.

obviously the story is false. the interesting question is whether this is just an ignorant journalist barking up the wrong tree, or whether it was a deliberate smear campaign against chinese manufacturing.
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the thing on the right is a computer motherboard. the claim is that a chip the size of a pencil tip was added to the board.

obviously the story is false. the interesting question is whether this is just an ignorant journalist barking up the wrong tree, or whether it was a deliberate smear campaign against chinese manufacturing.
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Old 31.01.2019, 12:53
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Yes hence whyvi cover both cases
so pewpewpew==ouchboy. interesting.
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so pewpewpew==ouchboy. interesting.


uhm.. i dunno who that is. O.o ( is it my chinese doppleganger?)


username is cool tho.
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P.S: I love the way the West spins the story about how the Chinese censor the internet… what the Chinese did was to stop American companies from collecting all the data they did in Europe and the rest of the world. By now do we know what this data can and is being used for. Snowden showed us what the US government is doing with it and thanks to Cambridge analytica do we know how others are manipulating us. The Chinese simply decided to not give away control over their internet… and very honestly - I dont trust Facebook and the others the tiniest bit. More than once did I wonder if the Chinese got it right and we Europeans once again let the US screw us over.
How can you seriously believe this? Yes, the US have messed around with your data to try and sway elections, but in China you don't even get to vote!
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Re: Huawei China national security THREAT

This is not about one company doing one act of industrial espionage by a planted spy chip.

It is about China becoming a challenger to the US economically and increasingly militarily.

So far so good, but the hope was it will become less evil the more it modernizes. Or that it will fail to develop fast if it stays authoritarian.

So now we have a big economy where it is profitable to invest in and sell to/buy from, but at the same time it helps it to become stronger and might create an existential threat to Europe and US, and not just to their economies. This is the struggle in US elites, where the US-China trade war is not seen as "bring factory jobs back" but as "is it already too late, or could we still isolate China, hurt its economy, and shift factories and investment elsewhere?

China on the other hand is hugely investing in parallel trade routes that couldn't be cut off by Western navies and that are connecting its economy with other Asian and European countries so that it could not be completely isolated if things escalated.

Huawei is just a battle to fight to keep the investment, know-how and crucial infrastructure out of China reach. Don't forget how Russia is using oil and gas to threaten its neighboring countries or how ZTE was almost killed by US embargo in an instant.
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Old 31.01.2019, 20:48
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A quick summary at what's currently blocked in China:

- Google
- Facebook
- YouTube
- Vimeo
- Daily Motion
- Wikipedia (Chinese)
- Twitter
- Netflix
- Instagram
- Tumblr
- WhatsApp
- BBC
- (the failing) New York Times
- Bloomberg
- The FT
- The Independent
- Reuters
- WSJ
- TIME
- The Economist
- Bing

Huawei and China can fook off.
Or we can learn from them I don't visit 90% of the sites on that list anyway
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The Chinese simply decided to not give away control over their internet… and very honestly - I dont trust Facebook and the others the tiniest bit. More than once did I wonder if the Chinese got it right and we Europeans once again let the US screw us over.
Chinese came up with their own search engines and social media platforms. So did the Russians. I don't really see the Europeans coming up with any of their own stuff. It's easier for them to just latch into Facebook, Google, etc. So who's fault is that? Can't blame the Americans for Europeans laziness (I won't delve into the military here, that's a whole another thread in it's own )
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How can you seriously believe this? Yes, the US have messed around with your data to try and sway elections, but in China you don't even get to vote!
watching too much US news again. yes, you do get to vote in China.
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Old 31.01.2019, 21:16
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Or we can learn from them I don't visit 90% of the sites on that list anyway
Me neither. But I do prefer that to be my choice.
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watching too much US news again. yes, you do get to vote in China.
You get to vote for any one of the suits out of the following choice.

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Re: Huawei China national security THREAT

Another day, another Apple employee trying to skip town with a bit of info:

https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/30/...-driving-tech/
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You get to vote for any one of the suits out of the following choice.

more choice than in US, UK etc.
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You get to vote for any one of the suits out of the following choice.

Actually they only get to vote on the little brother, after that all is indirect without public votes.
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