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08.02.2019, 15:17
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| | Re: Huawei China national security THREAT | Quote: | |  | | | Ah ok, so aside from a little "toxic masculinity" the Taliban are basically just like any other government and Zubair is fine with that, and will most likely grow up to be one of them eventually. It's the evil US drones that strikes fear into his small, innocent heart.
Yes, I can see that, Taliban are there on the ground, his friends and family. The US is some bunch of strangers, speaking a different language, if he even sees them at all. Typical "us vs. them" stuff. Strange why the media paints a different picture, the picture of only a frightened child... | | | | | Well, lets just say that the picture the media paints about them has changed. When I was a kid did I watch a certain Rambo movie where Stallone fought with brave tribal warriors against the bad Russians…
In all honesty do I not think they changed or got any bit more evil than back then… but nowadays we bomb the crap out of them. So yes, I for one can understand the boy… for him are the US some foreign power which attacks for no apparent reason. And calling them all terrorists is a stretch of the definition.
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08.02.2019, 15:35
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| | Re: Huawei China national security THREAT | Quote: | |  | | | As long as you are happy to live in some fundamentalist state are they nothing to be afraid of. If Zubair was however female and still wanted to go to a school he would fear them... | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | calling them all terrorists is a stretch of the definition. | | | | |
...er, huh?  I'm sure Bin Laden, Al Queda, ISIS, etc. would agree with you, but I have a little trouble understanding.
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11.02.2019, 11:31
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat
In US gov't nomenclature "Taliban" is used now instead of "terrorist Taliban".
How times change.
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12.03.2019, 11:32
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat
"The U.S. government is threatening to reduce the amount of intelligence it shares with Germany if Huawei wins a contract to build the country’s next-generation 5G network."
Fun facts:
1. Huawei does not win any government contracts. The government sells the frequency spectrums and the companies who win those bids can choose the infrastructure they want to build up their networks. Thats how a free economy works…
2. Despite several requests did the US not deliver any proof for their claims against Huawei, it is a theoretical threat. https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/11/ge...gence-sharing/ | The following 2 users would like to thank Treverus for this useful post: | | 
12.03.2019, 23:07
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat | Quote: | |  | | | "The U.S. government is threatening to reduce the amount of intelligence it shares with Germany if Huawei wins a contract to build the country’s next-generation 5G network."
. . . | | | | | That is, reducing the supply of intelligence it gleens from intercepting cell phone and land line communications, from back doors into Google, from Facebook, Apple etc. and generally from snooping on internet traffic and hacking into databases, cloud services etc.
Indeed, it is only right and proper for it [the U.S. government] to warn allies of the security implications of using Huawei communications equipment.
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13.03.2019, 11:38
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat | Quote: | |  | | | Indeed, it is only right and proper for it [the U.S. government] to warn allies of the security implications of using Huawei communications equipment. | | | | | Yes, USA should be the only one listening to Frau Merkel late night phone calls. What is wrong with those pesky Chinese that they think they can do it too?
And why suddenly those German socialists care about the free market and don't want to force Telecoms to choose one and only supplier?
Finally, why public in 21st century still asking for some proof of evidence, if the worlds of wisdom are spoken trough highly reliable head of trusty ally from the other side the pond?
As far as I read:
Huawei offers by far the most comprehensive solution,
USA is unable to show any proof of evidence,
they are actually Telecoms who choose the supplier
and since constant public bashing of their allies by latest USA administration no longer can any sane European democratically elected leader advocate American policy "per se"
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18.03.2019, 17:17
| | Re: Huawei China national security threat
US lobies Swizerland to drop Chinese telecom giant Huawei
THIS CONTENT WAS PUBLISHED ON MARCH 17, 2019 2:17 PMMAR 17, 2019 - 14:17
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18.03.2019, 18:23
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat | Quote: | |  | | | US lobies Swizerland to drop Chinese telecom giant Huawei
THIS CONTENT WAS PUBLISHED ON MARCH 17, 2019 2:17 PMMAR 17, 2019 - 14:17 | | | | | Which content?
Did you forget to add a link? Gimme, gimme, gimme!
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18.03.2019, 18:30
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat | Quote: | |  | | | US lobies Swizerland to drop Chinese telecom giant Huawei
THIS CONTENT WAS PUBLISHED ON MARCH 17, 2019 2:17 PMMAR 17, 2019 - 14:17 | | | | | Indeed it is here: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/us-chin...awei-/44830056
It starts: | Quote: |  | | | The US has expressed concern over the use of Chinese technology in Switzerland, suggesting it may be used for espionage, reports the Sonntagszeitung newspaper. | | | | | No doubt, one of the first targets of this Chinese spying effort will be to obtain the secret formula for Bündner Bergkäse. But I guess the US lobbyists will soon have their hands full persuading countries to continue to purchase aircraft which have a habit of just falling out of the sky.
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18.03.2019, 18:48
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We'll pass the message on to Sweden | This user would like to thank curley for this useful post: | | 
18.03.2019, 21:14
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat | Quote: | |  | | | No doubt, one of the first targets of this Chinese spying effort will be to obtain the secret formula for Bündner Bergkäse. But I guess the US lobbyists will soon have their hands full persuading countries to continue to purchase aircraft which have a habit of just falling out of the sky. | | | | | maybe china should start lobbying countries not to buy boeing aircraft and banning boeing aircraft from landing in china? | 
19.03.2019, 09:05
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The world feels so small at times. The Huawei CFO "lives" a couple blocks away from my friends in Vancouver.
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19.03.2019, 10:42
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat | Quote: | |  | | | Thank you for the link.
We'll pass the message on to Sweden  | | | | | Dont know how to say this nicely, but Sunrise was such a good customer that the Swedish company in question closed down their Zurich office years ago...
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19.03.2019, 11:57
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat | Quote: | |  | | | Dont know how to say this nicely, but Sunrise was such a good customer that the Swedish company in question closed down their Zurich office years ago... | | | | | I only mentioned Sweden because I'm sure the Americans didn't know who they warned when they warned us.
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19.03.2019, 13:53
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat
not sure why the US is being so clumsy in this matter.
we know they were spying on everybody. and that US companies were cooperating to slurp up data - the exact same thing that they accuse China of.
i think it is safe to say that every country including China is expected to spy on every other country. it's a pretty sensible thing to do as a country to try do as a basic security and intelligence matter.
i would probably go with huawei as they have a very good incentive to ensure their kit is secure AND they are scrutinized heavily by many governments, so all else being equal, should be the most secure.
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21.05.2019, 07:37
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Too bad now if you have a Huawei. But then again they are terrible phones
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21.05.2019, 07:37
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Too bad now if you have a Huawei. But then again they are terrible phones https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...acklist-report | The following 2 users groan at omtatsat for this post: | | 
21.05.2019, 09:09
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The Chinese are being very quiet right now about this and the trade deficit with the US.
At somepoint and i guess in the not too distant future they will bite back and hard, how i am not sure, maybe the restriction of various metals, lithium and the such like.
The Chinese are far more resiliant than the US and will work together as oposed to individually as the US does, they will also not be ready to "lose face" to the US which will drag it out far longer than the US maybe realises.
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21.05.2019, 09:18
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Here's a list of evidence the US have compiled to sanction Huawei: List | This user would like to thank Th3Alchemist for this useful post: | | 
21.05.2019, 09:29
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| | Re: Huawei China national security threat | Quote: |  | | | The Chinese are being very quiet right now about this and the trade deficit with the US.
At somepoint and i guess in the not too distant future they will bite back and hard, how i am not sure, maybe the restriction of various metals, lithium and the such like.
The Chinese are far more resiliant than the US and will work together as oposed to individually as the US does, they will also not be ready to "lose face" to the US which will drag it out far longer than the US maybe realises. | | | | | Maybe the Chinese will take another bite out of the Apple  | This user would like to thank omtatsat for this useful post: | |
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