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Guest 19.12.2018 08:33

Huawei China national security threat
 
The investigation into China and Huawei has been ongoing for many years. This 60 Minutes report from 2012 should shed some light on the ongoing events today.

In 2012, Steve Kroft reported on the Chinese telecom giant's pursuit of building the next generation of digital networks in the U.S. and how it prompted an outcry in Washington




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Published on May 6, 2018

Last week the Pentagon banned the sale of Huawei phones on U.S. military bases. The concern is that the Chinese telecom firm poses a risk to national security. In Canada Huawei is a popular brand but has never been linked to any wrongdoing. CBCs Wendy Mesley speaks to former CSIS director Ward Elcock about why he believes Huawei needs to be looked at carefully.

roegner 19.12.2018 08:40

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But you do have an Apple phone? Or Samsung?

Jim2007 19.12.2018 08:47

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Originally Posted by edzoom (Post 3024239)
Last week the Pentagon banned the sale of Huawei phones on U.S. military bases. The concern is that the Chinese telecom firm poses a risk to national security. In Canada Huawei is a popular brand but has never been linked to any wrongdoing. CBCs Wendy Mesley speaks to former CSIS director Ward Elcock about why he believes Huawei needs to be looked at carefully.

You need to grow up! The US is just as big a threat to our national security as anyone else, especially since some people think they are actually trustworthy! Just assume everyone has the ability to spy on you and you will not be disappointed.

Plau Deri 19.12.2018 09:39

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 3024245)
Just assume everyone has the ability to spy on you and you will not be disappointed.

+1

One other story/conspiracy theory/fairy tale is that the US spooks wanted to install their own backdoors in Huawei equipment, but Huawei showed them the middle finger and now the Americans run a smear campaign against them -> spooky "protectionism".

I think, we'll never know, who spies on whom.

Treverus 19.12.2018 09:53

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Huawei is a very political company with very good ties to the Chinese military and security services. Because they essentially started as a shop that copied Cisco routers at a time where the US banned all sales of telco equipment to China.

The key difference here is that we know that the US is spying on every thing we do. Thanks Mr Snowden!

The Americans claim that the Chinese try to do the same but have yet failed to find any proof whatsoever... despite having this discussion for over a decade. I am by now pretty sure that if there was any backdoor in any Huawei system the US would have already presented it in the UN security council like they did with those Iraqi WMD factories.

Long story short: there is an ongoing conflict growing between the US and China. This is a politically motivated economic attack just in line with the other measures done this year, nothing to do with security.

(If we really care about security and fundamentally don't trust the Chinese: Why are they then allowed to build a nuclear power plant in the UK?)

bigblue2 19.12.2018 10:06

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Huawei don't need to make back doors or secret chips in their kit, they run mobile networks in quite a few countries, including here, they have everything they need if that's what they really want to do.

but, having worked for quite a few telco's in my time you wouldn't believe the amount of data that would involve, without a targeted search its pretty pointless, and if they where targeting an individual there are much easier ways.

Jim2007 19.12.2018 10:08

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3024268)
I am by now pretty sure that if there was any backdoor in any Huawei system the US would have already presented it in the UN security council like they did with those Iraqi WMD factories.

Nope. Theyd bless their good fortune and happily exploit it.

Guest 19.12.2018 10:19

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This is a train message in China. I'll take the US over China any day of the week, thanks.


aSwissInTheUS 19.12.2018 10:45

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Originally Posted by Plau Deri (Post 3024264)
One other story/conspiracy theory/fairy tale is that the US spooks wanted to install their own backdoors in Huawei equipment, but Huawei showed them the middle finger and now the Americans run a smear campaign against them -> spooky "protectionism".

The US spying on the Greeks using Ericsson equipment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_...004%E2%80%9305

Here a technical article which looks into the alleged "China Spy Chip".
https://www.servethehome.com/investi...rmicro-stories
Be aware that there is NO actual photo of this super chip. The "chip" shown in the news is just an "illustration". In fact it is not even IC, it is a standard SMD balun. A discrete device!

Chuff 19.12.2018 10:49

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Shall we take bets on how long it will be before edzoom gets himself banned? :D

PS: edzoom please post off topic stuff in the off topic section, this is not "daily life" in Switzerland...

Guest 19.12.2018 10:55

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3024292)
Shall we take bets on how long it will be before edzoom gets himself banned? :D

Aww... but, but the threads are a riotous (guilty) read when there's a quiet period in the office. :D


:msnblush:

Treverus 19.12.2018 11:02

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Originally Posted by bigblue2 (Post 3024271)
Huawei don't need to make back doors or secret chips in their kit, they run mobile networks in quite a few countries, including here, they have everything they need if that's what they really want to do.

Yeah... but: that's not some army of Chinese secret agents running these networks. Its the same guys who ran them before but now their work contract says Huawei instead. I know because a very long time ago did I work for their large Swedish competitor and a lot of my linkedin contacts from that period work a Huawei now. Not just in Switzerland but from Brazil to Russia... so in short did Huawei make an incredible rise to the top from a garage shop copying routers to the number one telecom infrastructure company on the planet... but is it a security concern? Much less so... they have an international work force and chances are quite some spies from other countries might work there as well...

Phil_MCR 19.12.2018 11:18

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3024291)
Be aware that there is NO actual photo of this super chip. The "chip" shown in the news is just an "illustration". In fact it is not even IC, it is a standard SMD balun. A discrete device!

The supermicro story is complete bollocks. fake news.

curley 19.12.2018 11:54

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3024313)
The supermicro story is complete bollocks. fake news.

MIT involved? :D

Guest 19.12.2018 12:13

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 3024242)
But you do have an Apple phone? Or Samsung?

this is not really about small consumer devices it it more about the backbone of the communication system.
watch the videos


bigblue2 19.12.2018 12:40

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Originally Posted by edzoom (Post 3024342)
this is not really about small consumer devices it it more about the backbone of the communication system

which as said, they already control, so have no need at all to put chips or back doors in

curley 19.12.2018 13:20

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Originally Posted by edzoom (Post 3024342)
this is not really about small consumer devices it it more about the backbone of the communication system.
watch the videos


Well, my thoughts to this being a cheap mud-game against competition has even been mentioned at the end of your video:
<<(they ) are not really concerned about China spying but rather fear the company's competitiveness>>

At the moment google surely bugs me more than huawei. And the US warning us about other countries spying is kind of embarrassing - for the US. :rolleyes:

What can I say - sorry edzoom for being such a haunted creature. What's next? Aliens invading your neighbourhood and Switzerland not having the gear to protect you?

st2lemans 19.12.2018 14:06

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3024370)
What's next? Aliens invading your neighbourhood and Switzerland not having the gear to protect you?

I have several rolls of aluminum foil, just in case. ;)

Tom

Plau Deri 19.12.2018 14:14

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3024370)
What's next? Aliens invading your neighbourhood and Switzerland not having the gear to protect you?

At least, aliens are real :D

Treverus 19.12.2018 14:28

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3024370)
Well, my thoughts to this being a cheap mud-game against competition has even been mentioned at the end of your video

Just to state the obvious - we are looking at a RT. Russia Today isn't exactly the sort of media channel I would trust on spy stories... or be surprised about them to have a critical spin on literally anything the West does.


That said: The US is banning a major tech firm based on allegations alone. Without any sort of proof or even just indicators. I am wondering how they can do this to another WTO nation easily...


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