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Yeh! Can't remember the last time I say one on my windshield. Been awhile!
Erm, it is winter guys...
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I doth returneth early last summereth.
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I think I mentioned that, last year when I came back to Germany after a few years, one of the first things I noticed was that there were no splatted insects on cars or trains. This is worrying.
Try riding a motorcycle!

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Try riding a motorcycle!

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With or without windscreen?
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Re: Klima Streik/climate strike

Somewhat ironic that it‘s exploding population that‘s causing climate change and we should all have less kids - and now it‘s the kids who are protesting...
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I think I mentioned that, last year when I came back to Germany after a few years, one of the first things I noticed was that there were no splatted insects on cars or trains. This is worrying.

More on this here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/m...pocalypse.html
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Try riding a motorcycle!

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20-odd years ago an hour´s riding on a Autobahn was the equivalent of a happy meal, but no longer.
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With or without windscreen?
Mine all have windscreens, however they still get splattered.

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Mine all have windscreens, however they still get splattered.
And the helmet?
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Re: Klima Streik/climate strike

What those schoolchildren are doing is pointing to the fact that our politicians - the only ones in the end who can do anything - are doing nothing. Putting a few pence on plastic bags or banning straws (even that wasn't successful) is hardly the way to even begin to find an answer to our situation.
What ever is done or is to be done has to find its place under the title RADICAL: we'll have to give up some of our 'freedoms' before they kill us and our children's children. And we have to do it NOW.
Just one example - but there are plenty more - please don't ask. I watched a political programme on BBC an hour or so age. A council in Lancashire in England had outsourced its refuse services and what was visible amongst the mess on the streets and back lanes of the town shown were rows and rows of plastic rubbish containers on all streets (ours in CH are not so small, not so many and generally hidden) - But, and here's my point - these containers are still coming out of our factories just as are plastic CocaCola bottles, plastic sleeves for cucumbers, plastic containers for 4 slices of ham, masses of plastic parts for cars, millions of plastic soap powder containers, plastic grass, plastic window frames, - I could go on forever.
Any change has to take place at the beginning of a product's life and not just added to the mess, confusion, and tears.


A thimble full of a gnat's urine won't change anything.
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Old 17.02.2019, 14:52
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Re: Klima Streik/climate strike

All these nutter clammering for change are, umm, nutters.

Dealing with the inevitable changes are the only way forward, the climate has been changing for the past several billion years.

Ask the dinosaurs.

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Re: Klima Streik/climate strike

This guy sums things up pretty well:

https://un-denial.com/2015/11/12/und...gy-and-denial/
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Actually, I've been thinking about this. I'm fully aware of the difference between the immediate and the global environment, but wouldn't it make an immensely powerful statement if these kids could combine the two: instead of bunking off school to wave placards, why don't they gather in their thousands to clear up the streets?

Imagine the faces of the tutting Telegraph readers if 20 000 teenagers piled off buses into the centre of London armed with granny grabbers and bin bags, spent the next six hours picking up every crisp packet, drinks can and fag end, then turned to the assembled cameras and said: "Right. We're doing our bit. What about YOU?"

The moral authority alone would make it worth it, and the city would be a nicer place for a couple of days too.

Too radical?
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What those schoolchildren are doing is pointing to the fact that our politicians - the only ones in the end who can do anything - are doing nothing. Putting a few pence on plastic bags or banning straws (even that wasn't successful) is hardly the way to even begin to find an answer to our situation.
What ever is done or is to be done has to find its place under the title RADICAL: we'll have to give up some of our 'freedoms' before they kill us and our children's children. And we have to do it NOW.
Just one example - but there are plenty more - please don't ask. I watched a political programme on BBC an hour or so age. A council in Lancashire in England had outsourced its refuse services and what was visible amongst the mess on the streets and back lanes of the town shown were rows and rows of plastic rubbish containers on all streets (ours in CH are not so small, not so many and generally hidden) - But, and here's my point - these containers are still coming out of our factories just as are plastic CocaCola bottles, plastic sleeves for cucumbers, plastic containers for 4 slices of ham, masses of plastic parts for cars, millions of plastic soap powder containers, plastic grass, plastic window frames, - I could go on forever.
Any change has to take place at the beginning of a product's life and not just added to the mess, confusion, and tears.


A thimble full of a gnat's urine won't change anything.
Bruh the politicians aren't the ONLY ones who can do something, we all on this planet are responsible.

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In my opinion, they're meant with good intentions, and just as the yellow vests in France originally did had a point, they're lacking any direction what they actually want to reach.

What's the concrete demands, and how should they be met?

And I mean realistic one's. "We want the climate change to stop" isn't.

Real demands could be:

-By default, heating in public places (that includes schools ) will be reduced, as well as aircons in summer will be set to couple degrees warmer.
-Strong encouragement by the gouvernment to private companies to do so as well, plus actually pressure to abolish "tie and jacket" in summer so you don't need 20C offices..
-Extra taxes for higher use of oil and electricity over what's deemed "normal" (to encourage people to buy energy efficent devices as well as reduce their personal footprint)
-Extra taxes for larger appartments (with fewer occupants) - say, 50sqm per person is "included".
-Luxury tax (similar to what China got) of 20% on goods considered luxurious - say, Yachts, Sport Cars, Private Jets..

You need to have concrete demands and to be taken serious, or it becomes just a silly "lets walk around protesting and show those adults" kind of event.
true but who's gonna pay that much money? i mean first of all, government should ban use of plastic and take care of the garbage though

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And kids will do anything just to hang out with friends in the city instead of sitting at school. As a parent you should support their klimastreik by never driving them to school anymore, they can take the bus from now on.
as i mentioned earlier, they still gotta stay after school and repeat everything they missed

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Idiots.

Next question?

Tom
damn chill haha

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All these nutter clammering for change are, umm, nutters.

Dealing with the inevitable changes are the only way forward, the climate has been changing for the past several billion years.

Ask the dinosaurs.

Tom
Ok, Tom, i’m asking the dinosaur...........
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Mostly corpses, I would imagine.

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All these nutter clammering for change are, umm, nutters.

Dealing with the inevitable changes are the only way forward, the climate has been changing for the past several billion years.

Ask the dinosaurs.

Tom

I'd like to say this;


Of course we can all do something in our very small way to not add to the destruction of the Earth - but it's going to need big alterations to our way of life to stop the rot.


Climate change has been around for billions of years, that's true and a possible climate change is maybe taking place now.


But the natural changes to the planet's healthy balance doesn't include:


Feeding plastic to birds and fish.
Fishing the oceans empty and in such a brutal manner that the very substance is destroyed.
Tearing up jungles and forests to get to gold and poisoning the land and water in the process.
Destroying land and water by fracking to get oil.
Removing millions of tons of earth to extract rare metals.
Filling our oceans, rivers and land with immense amounts of crude oil escaping from mining facilities. - see Nigeria.
Poisoning our fields with chemicals in the name of progress.
Building atomic power stations.
Building dams all over the place resulting in rivers no longer reaching the sea.
Concreting and asphalting small and large areas of valuable land for roads, parking spaces, shopping malls, and all the rest.
Scarring mountain sides with steel masts which serve no purpose in summer when the skiing season stops.
Blighting the air with exhaust fumes, smoke, heat and dust.
Feeding our food chain with antibiotics.
Massacring wild life using various excuses.


Bees, butterflies, flies, spiders, - all these things and many more are vanishing in front of our eyes. The monarch butterflies of California and Mexico have decimated by 95% - 95%!!!!! Land being destroyed and chemicals being 'used' to 'improve' agriculture and make way for more cows.


And so on a thousand times - and so forth.


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But the natural changes to the planet's healthy balance doesn't include:


Feeding plastic to birds and fish.
Fishing the oceans empty and in such a brutal manner that the very substance is destroyed.
Tearing up jungles and forests to get to gold and poisoning the land and water in the process.
Destroying land and water by fracking to get oil.
Removing millions of tons of earth to extract rare metals.
Filling our oceans, rivers and land with immense amounts of crude oil escaping from mining facilities. - see Nigeria.
Poisoning our fields with chemicals in the name of progress.
Building atomic power stations.
Building dams all over the place resulting in rivers no longer reaching the sea.
Concreting and asphalting small and large areas of valuable land for roads, parking spaces, shopping malls, and all the rest.
Scarring mountain sides with steel masts which serve no purpose in summer when the skiing season stops.
Blighting the air with exhaust fumes, smoke, heat and dust.
Feeding our food chain with antibiotics.
Massacring wild life using various excuses.


Bees, butterflies, flies, spiders, - all these things and many more are vanishing in front of our eyes. The monarch butterflies of California and Mexico have decimated by 95% - 95%!!!!! Land being destroyed and chemicals being 'used' to 'improve' agriculture and make way for more cows.


And so on a thousand times - and so forth.


signed,


Nutter
I think there is some confusion here between the environment and climate change. Quite how nuclear power adds to climate change is unclear, if at all. If it prevents coal power stations then it‘s actually beneficial. Likewise improving agricultural production. And many of theh other environmental matters you raise.

This simple fact is that the world‘s economies are based on growth. That‘s what every single business wants, every economy thrives on. Recession is bad. But to halt climate change, you need to halt growth. Stop making stuff with energy producing waste glasses and materials only to have the products thrown away.

That‘s the was our world is and unless we are willing to accept years of depression, the collapse or markets, pension funds etc. We are going to have to live with some sort of climate change...
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Re: Klima Streik/climate strike

The best "climate riot" was made by a certain 9yr I know very well...she found two dead bumble bees and made their corps a tiny house with furniture and all..."We keep them. For good. So we know what they look like one day.'
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Tbh I strongly believe that the only thing that really will help nature would be a world war that would decimate human mankind. There are to many of us, and let us face it we are not going to lay down our current luxurious way of living and Billions of other people are making their way up to achieve a higher level with higher consumption patterns. A small thing, take all the straws we use hundreds of billions of those a yr, chasing from plastic to any other material would only reduce some plastic garbage, as for production and transport nothing is changing. How easy it would be to just drink without a straw, but do we, no of course not.
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