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Ambik 17.02.2019 00:15

Klima Streik/climate strike
 
Hi, so my school along with many other schools have been going on those climate strikes. What are your opinions? :msnsmile:

EdwinNL 17.02.2019 00:28

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That the time is better spend studying.

pilatus1 17.02.2019 00:31

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Originally Posted by Ambik (Post 3042521)
Hi, so my school along with many other schools have been going on those climate strikes. What are your opinions? :msnsmile:

what are your demands?

Ambik 17.02.2019 00:32

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Originally Posted by EdwinNL (Post 3042524)
That the time is better spend studying.

They had to still do/repeat the stuff they missed (everyone who went there).

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Originally Posted by pilatus1 (Post 3042525)
what are your demands?

just asking what you thought of the climate strikes in zh

YuropFlyer 17.02.2019 05:18

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In my opinion, they're meant with good intentions, and just as the yellow vests in France originally did had a point, they're lacking any direction what they actually want to reach.

What's the concrete demands, and how should they be met?

And I mean realistic one's. "We want the climate change to stop" isn't.

Real demands could be:

-By default, heating in public places (that includes schools ;) ) will be reduced, as well as aircons in summer will be set to couple degrees warmer.
-Strong encouragement by the gouvernment to private companies to do so as well, plus actually pressure to abolish "tie and jacket" in summer so you don't need 20C offices..
-Extra taxes for higher use of oil and electricity over what's deemed "normal" (to encourage people to buy energy efficent devices as well as reduce their personal footprint)
-Extra taxes for larger appartments (with fewer occupants) - say, 50sqm per person is "included".
-Luxury tax (similar to what China got) of 20% on goods considered luxurious - say, Yachts, Sport Cars, Private Jets..

You need to have concrete demands and to be taken serious, or it becomes just a silly "lets walk around protesting and show those adults" kind of event.

MusicChick 17.02.2019 07:11

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I think it is a good thing. We demand from our students to take selfies when they are there to prove that they aren't just skipping school.

As per the reasons - OP could tell us why the students protest?

Here is GE and LS it seemed very well organized, not just riots.

Dougal's Breakfast 17.02.2019 07:14

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I'd be curious to see the condition of the streets after they've passed through.

Dougal's Breakfast 17.02.2019 08:48

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Originally Posted by Dougal's Breakfast (Post 3042544)
I'd be curious to see the condition of the streets after they've passed through.

Actually, I've been thinking about this. I'm fully aware of the difference between the immediate and the global environment, but wouldn't it make an immensely powerful statement if these kids could combine the two: instead of bunking off school to wave placards, why don't they gather in their thousands to clear up the streets?

Imagine the faces of the tutting Telegraph readers if 20 000 teenagers piled off buses into the centre of London armed with granny grabbers and bin bags, spent the next six hours picking up every crisp packet, drinks can and fag end, then turned to the assembled cameras and said: "Right. We're doing our bit. What about YOU?"

The moral authority alone would make it worth it, and the city would be a nicer place for a couple of days too.

Too radical?

BasP72 17.02.2019 09:00

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Tell these kids the family dog has a bigger climate impact that the car, and that if they really wanted to do something they should get rid of it....

Second, tell them about the ratio of polution versus amount of people, and that the best contribution a person can make is not to have kids.

In my opinion the nativity of these kids is just exploited by the environmentalists. And kids will do anything just to hang out with friends in the city instead of sitting at school. As a parent you should support their klimastreik by never driving them to school anymore, they can take the bus from now on.

Clocker 17.02.2019 09:12

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Originally Posted by Ambik (Post 3042521)
Hi, so my school along with many other schools have been going on those climate strikes. What are your opinions?

Pretty pointless, given that it's been know for quite some time that any effort now to reverse what's happening to the planet is simply too little too late. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Dougal's Breakfast (Post 3042554)
if 20 000 teenagers piled off buses into the centre of London armed with granny grabbers and bin bags, spent the next six hours picking up every crisp packet, drinks can and fag end

The problem with that is that within a week of the clear-up, the litter is all back on the streets again, so hardly worth the bother. :rolleyes: You'd need it to be done every week and that is simply not going to happen.
Far better if the litter wasn't dropped in the first place. But without the disincentive such as huge fines/prison for those who do it, that isn't going to happen either. :rolleyes:

Sandgrounder 17.02.2019 09:15

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Originally Posted by Dougal's Breakfast (Post 3042554)
Actually, I've been thinking about this. I'm fully aware of the difference between the immediate and the global environment, but wouldn't it make an immensely powerful statement if these kids could combine the two: instead of bunking off school to wave placards, why don't they gather in their thousands to clear up the streets?

Imagine the faces of the tutting Telegraph readers if 20 000 teenagers piled off buses into the centre of London armed with granny grabbers and bin bags, spent the next six hours picking up every crisp packet, drinks can and fag end, then turned to the assembled cameras and said: "Right. We're doing our bit. What about YOU?"

The moral authority alone would make it worth it, and the city would be a nicer place for a couple of days too.

Too radical?

Call me a cynic but with current attitudes, the Telegraph readers you mention would simply scoff that it’s another empty stunt by the snowflake generation with enough op-eds in the following weeks to discredit everything from the authenticity of photos to the ‘rich and entitled parents’ of singled out kids.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with protests and think it’s great that kids are informing themselves, with the aim of trying to break the wasteful legacy they’ve been born into but in all honesty, I think the shouty entitled types are louder.

robBob 17.02.2019 09:39

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I think its a good thing that young people are concerned again about the environment. For many years I was worried that all they cared about was their outfits, looks and making and flashing money. We should give em credit for exhibiting their concern and I hope they can stick with it and not get disillusioned with age. After all it was not their choice to be born into this mess that they are now faced with having to clean up.

slammer 17.02.2019 09:39

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Stopping climate change is no longer an option, for that to happen you would have had to have eradicated 6 billion of the seven billion people on the world and set up a totalitarian form of government with a few elites and the rest under strict control, much like in the movie THX1138, and you would have had to have done it decades ago.
Now the best humanity can do is try and accept the consequences of climate change as best as we can.

Clocker 17.02.2019 09:41

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Originally Posted by robBob (Post 3042564)
it was not their choice to be born into this mess that they are now faced with having to clean up.

Just as it wasn't our choice to be born into the mess that we were faced with back then. What has changed?

st2lemans 17.02.2019 09:55

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Originally Posted by Ambik (Post 3042527)
just asking what you thought of the climate strikes in zh

Idiots. :msnmad:

Next question? :confused:

Tom

Loz1983 17.02.2019 09:58

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Kids protests that will only result in nothing more than more “Green” taxes for them. They’ll learn, eventually.

robBob 17.02.2019 10:00

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Originally Posted by Clocker (Post 3042566)
Just as it wasn't our choice to be born into the mess that we were faced with back then. What has changed?


We took it over and never fixed it (enough). And now things are much worse with detrimental consequences in the near future. But your right. Nothing will change until it may also affect the rich. In which case it will be way too late (see links below).



https://www.theguardian.com/environm...lation-decline


https://www.sciencealert.com/puerto-...climate-change

MusicChick 17.02.2019 10:16

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Originally Posted by Dougal's Breakfast (Post 3042554)
Actually, I've been thinking about this. I'm fully aware of the difference between the immediate and the global environment, but wouldn't it make an immensely powerful statement if these kids could combine the two: instead of bunking off school to wave placards, why don't they gather in their thousands to clear up the streets?

Imagine the faces of the tutting Telegraph readers if 20 000 teenagers piled off buses into the centre of London armed with granny grabbers and bin bags, spent the next six hours picking up every crisp packet, drinks can and fag end, then turned to the assembled cameras and said: "Right. We're doing our bit. What about YOU?"

The moral authority alone would make it worth it, and the city would be a nicer place for a couple of days too.

Too radical?

No, but not mutually exclusive. I think both ideas have impact. Clean up the closest environment and think about being less wasteful for their future kids' sake. I wouldn't shoot down the efforts of either protest group. Except that I believe in propositions and offering alternatives instead of protests. Still, having my experiences - kids need to be heard. If they think this is the most efficient to be heard, so be it. They will grow into more impactful ways faster, if we listen to them now. I was impressed with how reasonable things were in GE and LS "baby riots".

slammer 17.02.2019 10:26

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Originally Posted by robBob (Post 3042577)
We took it over and never fixed it (enough). And now things are much worse with detrimental consequences in the near future. But your right. Nothing will change until it may also affect the rich. In which case it will be way too late (see links below).



https://www.theguardian.com/environm...lation-decline


https://www.sciencealert.com/puerto-...climate-change

I think I mentioned that, last year when I came back to Germany after a few years, one of the first things I noticed was that there were no splatted insects on cars or trains. This is worrying.

robBob 17.02.2019 10:33

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Originally Posted by slammer (Post 3042587)
I think I mentioned that, last year when I came back to Germany after a few years, one of the first things I noticed was that there were no splatted insects on cars or trains. This is worrying.


Yeh! Can't remember the last time I saw one on my windshield. Been awhile!


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