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Old 01.03.2019, 11:56
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P.S I will say it again, UNLESS you have an active link there. In your case I think it's your pension, of course that's an active link and you should have a say. I think it's quite simple.


The vast majority of UK citizens living overseas have this link but many of them, myself and my husband included, are not able to vote on matters which directly concern them.
This is not right.

I have many friends in Belgium who work for the British delegation to the EU who will be directly affected by the Brexit, to the point of probably losing their jobs, but who couldn’t vote due to the 15 year rule. This is just not fair.

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Old 01.03.2019, 12:03
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You don't really understand what citizenship means, do you?

Boo hoo.
Explain then...?
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Old 01.03.2019, 13:09
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So, you've been out of the country for 47 years and expect to have a say about somewhere that will have changed beyond all recognition. When did you pay taxes there, or NI?

And young people in the UK complain that older UK residents who will be dead before the (possible) consequences hit shouldn't vote...

You left before the UK joined the EU even. Should be neutral for you then.

I assume after 47 years you've collected a 2nd passport.

I pay my taxes here in Germany at the moment, but canīt vote on how they are spent and by whome.
And yes I have been out of the country for 47 years and I can assure you that UK internal issues are not very high on my list of things that keep me awake at night.
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I still have a British Passport therefor Brexit affects me personally.
And I am thinking about what would you call a government that forces something on you that you donīt have a say in, paid taxes or no paid taxes. I call it dictatorship.
Just donīt get me wrong I am just kicking the ball here, in reality I do know that my vote would not have changed anything even if I had had one.
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Re: Brexit raising its urine ugly head

Again, you're the prime example of a privileged brat. It's not the government or a dictatorship that forced anything on you, it's a country's own people that decided they want to go for something which they voted on. You are just too selfish to care for anyone else other than yourself and act like a toddler with a tantrum throwing dictatorships around.


Too lazy to apply for another passport for 47 years, complaining about others not allowing you to influence a country you just said couldn't give a flying a** about and still think you are entitled to be served by everyone else other than yourself.

Well, wake up call buddy. 47 years away from a country that you do nothing to contribute in and not bothering to get a second citizenship in Germany where after just 6-8 years you can get one.


Welcome to the grown up world.
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Old 01.03.2019, 13:31
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Again, you're the prime example
That's nice. You're a prime example yourself.
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Old 01.03.2019, 13:33
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I think slammer is rather complaining about not being allowed to vote anywhere. Personally I think it fair to vote in general elections in your home country and local elections where you are permanently living (and paying taxes).
EU citizens living in Germany (for more than a certain timespan) can vote in local elections and also in EU elections. For the latter they have to prove they have renounced the right to vote in the same election in their country of origin (it just boils down to filling in a form).


I did that when i was living in Germany.


I voted for a joke candidate. I was one of only seven who did so in my constituency, so it was really great to feel I had made a difference.
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Old 01.03.2019, 13:34
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Re: Brexit raising its urine ugly head

I find it rather strange that getting a second citizenship is presented like a must here.

So now it's "a man gotta build a house, plant a tree, father a son and get a second citizenship"?
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I find it rather strange that getting a second citizenship is presented like a must here.

So now it's "a man gotta build a house, plant a tree, father a son and get a second citizenship"?
No but then he shouldn't bitch about it like a toddler when a whole country's decision isn't aligned with his selfish interests.


And if you decide to live somewhere for 47 years a second citizenship makes sense to be able to fully participate in that country, especially if you have kids but that's just my opinion.
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Old 01.03.2019, 13:41
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If you are away for let's say 20 years and you don't have any links (property, companies, alimony whatever) then why would you influence those who live there with your vote?
Why should having property give you the right to vote?


I though we'd done away with that one in 1830 something?
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Old 01.03.2019, 13:51
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Again, you're the prime example of a privileged brat. It's not the government or a dictatorship that forced anything on you, it's a country's own people that decided they want to go for something which they voted on. You are just too selfish to care for anyone else other than yourself and act like a toddler with a tantrum throwing dictatorships around.


Too lazy to apply for another passport for 47 years, complaining about others not allowing you to influence a country you just said couldn't give a flying a** about and still think you are entitled to be served by everyone else other than yourself.

Well, wake up call buddy. 47 years away from a country that you do nothing to contribute in and not bothering to get a second citizenship in Germany where after just 6-8 years you can get one.


Welcome to the grown up world.

WHOOOOSHHHHH!*


*That was the point flying so far over your head that you didnīt even see it coming, or going, didnīt even realize it was there.


Now then there are plenty of countries where an expat can vote regardless of how long he or she has been out of the country, France is one such instance, Japan is another, at least for the major elections. So itīs not like itīs a alien concept.
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Old 01.03.2019, 13:55
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EU citizens living in Germany (for more than a certain timespan) can vote in local elections and also in EU elections.

True, but now that option is off the table, meaning if you look at it I (and many others) no longer have a say in the democratic process.
What kind of democracy is that which excludes itīs citizens the right of its own statutes, what does that make us?
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WHOOOOSHHHHH!*


*That was the point flying so far over your head that you didnīt even see it coming, or going, didnīt even realize it was there.


Now then there are plenty of countries where an expat can vote regardless of how long he or she has been out of the country, France is one such instance, Japan is another, at least for the major elections. So itīs not like itīs a alien concept.
And by the same token, there are a few countries with stricter rules than the UK, (or some barriers such as in-person, or form filling): Australia, Sweden, Malta and some bongo-bongo land places
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Old 01.03.2019, 14:17
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And by the same token, there are a few countries with stricter rules than the UK, (or some barriers such as in-person, or form filling): Australia, Sweden, Malta and some bongo-bongo land places
Can you imagine the immigrations officer trying to keep a straight face at somebody with a passport from Bongo-Bongoland?
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No but then he shouldn't bitch about it like a toddler when a whole country's decision isn't aligned with his selfish interests.


And if you decide to live somewhere for 47 years a second citizenship makes sense to be able to fully participate in that country, especially if you have kids but that's just my opinion.
Getting citizenship of a country you live in is not always a simple or straightforward process, there are often stringent criteria to be met.

And who says he’s lived in the same country for 47 years? Just because he’s lived outside the UK for 47 years doesn’t mean he’s only lived in one other country for the whole time.

We have lived in four different European countries since we left the UK. Are you suggesting we should have got citizenship of all of those?
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Old 01.03.2019, 14:52
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Re: Brexit raising its urine ugly head

I have lived in (as in I paid taxes) in UK, Germany, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland and Tadahh! Malta and now I pay taxes again in Germany.
Britain is the country where I come from and where my Passport was issued.
Why then should I be coerced in taking up citizenship of another country, isnīt that what the EU was supposed to make redundant?
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Old 01.03.2019, 15:13
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Can you imagine the immigrations officer trying to keep a straight face at somebody with a passport from Bongo-Bongoland?
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...-2013080777988
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Why then should I be coerced in taking up citizenship of another country, isnīt that what the EU was supposed to make redundant?
And what the British "majority" voted for.
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Old 01.03.2019, 15:22
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source: http://www.bongobongo.land/
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If you're the citizen of a nation, especially if you are the citizen of only one nation, then what is decided there has a direct effect upon your welfare. It is absurd to suggest otherwise.
Makes absolutely no difference if you are the citizen of two nations -
if your sole income comes from one nation. At 68 and 73, with no income or pension whatsoever from CH, and 100% from UK - are we supposed to go back to work?
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Old 01.03.2019, 16:10
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Re: Brexit raising its urine ugly head

For the most part, we all voluntarily left our relative countries of birth voluntarily. In search of change, of money, for love, for professional opportunities, for the food, for the mountains, the communal washing machines, or whatever. Hardly any of us left because a gun was put to our heads.


When we left, we knew full well that our rights to vote would be lost after a certain period of time. By staying here we accepted that.


It was our choice. It was a gamble we took. Let's not try and blame anybody else.
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