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Old 01.03.2019, 16:13
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Makes absolutely no difference if you are the citizen of two nations -
if your sole income comes from one nation. At 68 and 73, with no income or pension whatsoever from CH, and 100% from UK - are we supposed to go back to work?
Both you & your husband are highly educated intelligent people. You bought a property in CH which you could sell. You took a bet which has been partially favourable. Being Swiss you should understand the concept of personal responsibility & not expect a nanny state to look after you.

You may loose your free health cover that Swiss pensioners never had, I will have to pay for Swiss medical insurance when I take my Swiss Pillar 1, I suspect the premium will take all the income after tax if not more.
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are we supposed to go back to work?
Sure, why not?

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Old 01.03.2019, 17:10
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For the most part, we all voluntarily left our relative countries of birth voluntarily. In search of change, of money, for love, for professional opportunities, for the food, for the mountains, the communal washing machines, or whatever. Hardly any of us left because a gun was put to our heads.


When we left, we knew full well that our rights to vote would be lost after a certain period of time. By staying here we accepted that.


It was our choice. It was a gamble we took. Let's not try and blame anybody else.
Plus everybody had opportunity to change the law prior to leaving and can reacquire the right to vote by moving back to the UK. I suspect for most people, in terms of importance, it ranks somewhere high enough to have a whine about it online, but not important enough to have led to a letter written to an MP.
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Old 01.03.2019, 17:19
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Plus everybody had opportunity to change the law prior to leaving and can reacquire the right to vote by moving back to the UK. I suspect for most people, in terms of importance, it ranks somewhere high enough to have a whine about it online, but not important enough to have led to a letter written to an MP.
What would that letter entail?
"I insist on the right to give you legally non-binding advice from abroad!"
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While I find it very strange that Brits abroad are not allowed to vote, would it really make much difference?
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Old 01.03.2019, 17:26
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While I find it very strange that Brits abroad are not allowed to vote, would it really make much difference?
No, but there is a certain empowering form of entitlement that can be derived for repeating to yourself that you were denied the vote through no fault of your own and it was your vote that would have made all the difference.

Not to mention the irony of certain pensioners complaining that they weren't allowed to vote but also saying that it was old people voting who are to blame.
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Old 01.03.2019, 18:17
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No, but there is a certain empowering form of entitlement that can be derived for repeating to yourself that you were denied the vote through no fault of your own and it was your vote that would have made all the difference.

Not to mention the irony of certain pensioners complaining that they weren't allowed to vote but also saying that it was old people voting who are to blame.
Ouch.

It wasn't the buses?
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Old 01.03.2019, 18:27
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No, but there is a certain empowering form of entitlement that can be derived for repeating to yourself that you were denied the vote through no fault of your own and it was your vote that would have made all the difference.

Not to mention the irony of certain pensioners complaining that they weren't allowed to vote but also saying that it was old people voting who are to blame.
Yes but you see, that is British logic. It will not change either way, it will just be turned.

It's this phenomena:
"why do you stare at my girlfriend?"
"I'm not staring at your girlfriend!"
"Are you saying, my girlfriend isn't pretty?"

This is in their blood, I think.
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when a whole country's decision isn't aligned with his selfish interests
A whole country? Rubbish. Slightly more than 51% of those actually voting, less than a quarter of the UK population. Yet British citizens, not resident, were denied the vote when some Cypriots, Maltese, bongobongolians, Austrailians and Irish residents were welcomed to the polling stations with open arms.

Any decision like this need a super-majority, at least 50% of the electorate.
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Old 01.03.2019, 18:32
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Yes but you see, that is British logic. It will not change either way, it will just be turned.

It's this phenomena:
"why do you stare at my girlfriend?"
"I'm not staring at your girlfriend!"
"Are you saying, my girlfriend isn't pretty?"

This is in their blood, I think.
It is not British. It is just insecure.

Although delivered in an awesome accent, I wouldn't mind whatever logic.
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Old 01.03.2019, 18:36
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Yes but you see, that is British logic. It will not change either way, it will just be turned.

It's this phenomena:
"why do you stare at my girlfriend?"
"I'm not staring at your girlfriend!"
"Are you saying, my girlfriend isn't pretty?"

This is in their blood, I think.
Many a true word spoken in jest.

I know a lady who appeared on the Jimmy Saville show when she was a little girl, back in the 1970s and 1980s. He didn't molest her and now she is plagued by self doubt, thinking she wasn't pretty enough.

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Old 01.03.2019, 18:43
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Sure, why not?

Tom
Thanks Tom - not complaining, just saying it doesn't make any difference, if your income comes from 1 place - to have 2 nationalities.

OH has worked more hours in his lifetime than most 'normal' people x 3. But yes, I will go back and start doing residential languages courses with guiding- birds, wild animals and plants, or mushrooms, cross country skiing, with French or English and B&B. I already teach on an exchange basis - maintenance work around the place, gardening and have swapped holiday accomodation too- as I am not allowed to work as long as we get reciprocal health care. And yes, we can sell and go anywhere in the world, when we want to. Not complaining.

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Old 01.03.2019, 20:07
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Re: Brexit raising its urine ugly head

Bongo bongo, lovely song.
I have spent all afternoon giggling at the mental image of Businessmen from Bongo Bongo at a Bunga Bunga party-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJMLJVha5sw
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Getting citizenship of a country you live in is not always a simple or straightforward process, there are often stringent criteria to be met.

And who says he’s lived in the same country for 47 years? Just because he’s lived outside the UK for 47 years doesn’t mean he’s only lived in one other country for the whole time.

We have lived in four different European countries since we left the UK. Are you suggesting we should have got citizenship of all of those?
So you have no particular ties to either of those countries, getting citizenship wouldn't make sense except for getting's sake.

Next.
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Old 02.03.2019, 11:08
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So you have no particular ties to either of those countries, getting citizenship wouldn't make sense except for getting's sake.

Next.
I think the point was you will always have ties with your birth country. As I see it the Uk still wants to play the grand empire card, allowing people who have nothing to do with the present country to vote..while denying regular citizens living abroad this right. It's....slightly ridiculous, but who I am to judge. Each to their own.
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Old 02.03.2019, 11:15
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So you have no particular ties to either of those countries, getting citizenship wouldn't make sense except for getting's sake.

Next.
I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean.

Either of which countries?
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Old 02.03.2019, 11:21
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I have lived in (as in I paid taxes)Why then should I be coerced in taking up citizenship of another country, isn´t that what the EU was supposed to make redundant?
It basically does. Until your country decides to leave it.
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Old 02.03.2019, 11:27
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I think the point was you will always have ties with your birth country. As I see it the Uk still wants to play the grand empire card, allowing people who have nothing to do with the present country to vote..while denying regular citizens living abroad this right. It's....slightly ridiculous, but who I am to judge. Each to their own.
I think as much as you will always have some emotional or nostalgic ties with your ex-partners or family. How big the impact on their lives your attitude should have, is purely personal.

I do think that women had late vote rights in a country where employability/earnings count for so much, because they were not seen as real contributors, in CH.
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I think as much as you will always have some emotional or nostalgic ties with your ex-partners or family. How big the impact on their lives your attitude should have, is purely personal.

I do think that women had late vote rights in a country where employability/earnings count for so much, because they were not seen as real contributors, in CH.
And we're back to square one - "no taxation without represantation". My point was that we could also say that all foreign residents who were paying taxes should have had a say in this Referendum. If some foreign residents have an elevated status due to some imaginary "family" ties, it seems absurd to deny the British living abroad the same "elevated" status (based on the same principle).

Women's vote is an entirely different discussion and has little to do with taxation and employability.
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The women's vote - in the UK, at least - was intended to weaken the political power of the newly enfranchised working class man. Notice how it was only middle class women who got the vote in 1918. Funny they never mentioned that during last year's celebrations.

But I digress...
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The UK freely allows you to get dual citizenship so in 42 years I'd say you had plenty of time to get one.


Are you being deliberately obtuse? You can only get another citizenship if you live somewhere long enough to be eligible. There are plenty of people in the world, not just Brits, who move to new jobs/postings/countries every 3 or 4 years and have never stayed anywhere long enough to qualify for naturalisation. In the case of British citizens in that situation, they have no voting rights anywhere. People have died fighting for the right to vote and yet you seem strangely sanguine about a citizen of a first world country (although resemblances to a banana republic are arguably growing) being denied what is considered a fundamental human right.


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Many rights that many people have held for a lifetime are dependent on their citizenship not where they live. In the case of Brexit, that IS an active link, for many of people whose lives and livelihoods will be directly affected and jeopardised.
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