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Old 02.03.2019, 12:50
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I suspect for most people, in terms of importance, it ranks somewhere high enough to have a whine about it online, but not important enough to have led to a letter written to an MP.

Wrong.

And it so happens it looks like the 15 year rule is to be scrapped - just not in time for many of us for Brexit. The private members' bill gets its report stage and 3rd reading in the Commons on 22 March, then goes to the Lords.
And it would have mattered for Brexit: the numbers denied a vote are distinctly more than the difference between the leave and remain votes in the referendum.
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Old 02.03.2019, 13:03
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Wrong.

And it so happens it looks like the 15 year rule is to be scrapped - just not in time for many of us for Brexit. The private members' bill gets its report stage and 3rd reading in the Commons on 22 March, then goes to the Lords.
And it would have mattered for Brexit: the numbers denied a vote are distinctly more than the difference between the leave and remain votes in the referendum.
I do wonder how the vote would have panned out if every British citizen, regardless where they are or how long they have been out of the country, had gotten the chance to vote on such an important issue.
Would a slightly more "travelled" voter have tipped the scales over the more conservative populist voter?
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Old 02.03.2019, 13:40
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Are you being deliberately obtuse? You can only get another citizenship if you live somewhere long enough to be eligible. There are plenty of people in the world, not just Brits, who move to new jobs/postings/countries every 3 or 4 years and have never stayed anywhere long enough to qualify for naturalisation. In the case of British citizens in that situation, they have no voting rights anywhere. People have died fighting for the right to vote and yet you seem strangely sanguine about a citizen of a first world country (although resemblances to a banana republic are arguably growing) being denied what is considered a fundamental human right.
There are countries, such as mine, who force citizens to give up their citizenship should they decide to acquire a new one. So your fundamental human right depends on a particular definition. Brits have their own, Czechs do...citizens of the world do. Tax payers do. Etc., etc. I travel to be able to vote, btw.
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Old 02.03.2019, 13:43
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There are countries, such as mine, who force citizens to give up their citizenship should they decide to acquire a new one.

Indeed, so that just reinforces my point. It is far too flippant just to say "get another / a second citizenship to vote". And that's without touching on the emotional aspects
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Old 02.03.2019, 13:48
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Indeed, so that just reinforces my point. It is far too flippant just to say "get another / a second citizenship to vote". And that's without touching on the emotional aspects
I totally agree. Derooting.
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Wrong.
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Old 02.03.2019, 14:23
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I do wonder how the vote would have panned out if every British citizen, regardless where they are or how long they have been out of the country, had gotten the chance to vote on such an important issue.
Would a slightly more "travelled" voter have tipped the scales over the more conservative populist voter?
You would think so - and yet. 1000s upon 1000s of British 'expats' (aka immigrants) in Dordogneshire and SW France and the Costas of Spain and Portugal, etc- voted to leave - and now are complaining bitterly that they, the 'proper' EU immigrants !?!?!? should not be affected at all and screaming blue murder as they are losing their privileges. You know, those who moved because there were too many foreigners back home, who didn't speak the language, had their own shops and foods and restaurants, their own Clubs and Churches and hardly ever interacted with locals, etc, etc- and who do exactly that wherever they are. Many have now changed their mind though, because and only because they now see how it will affect them.
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Old 02.03.2019, 14:54
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Many a true word spoken in jest.

I know a lady who appeared on the Jimmy Saville show when she was a little girl, back in the 1970s and 1980s. He didn't molest her and now she is plagued by self doubt, thinking she wasn't pretty enough.
Jesus, sounds like youíve raided Bernard Manningís bumper book of stand-up material.
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Old 02.03.2019, 15:10
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You would think so - and yet. 1000s upon 1000s of British 'expats' (aka immigrants) in Dordogneshire and SW France and the Costas of Spain and Portugal, etc- voted to leave - and now are complaining bitterly that they, the 'proper' EU immigrants !?!?!? should not be affected at all and screaming blue murder as they are losing their privileges. You know, those who moved because there were too many foreigners back home, who didn't speak the language, had their own shops and foods and restaurants, their own Clubs and Churches and hardly ever interacted with locals, etc, etc- and who do exactly that wherever they are. Many have now changed their mind though, because and only because they now see how it will affect them.

I suspect they would have been outnumbered by the remaining 80+% of British citizens living in the EU who are working age and in jobs and hugely value their cosmopolitan lives. And add to them the Brits in non-EU European countries and elsewhere around the world...
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Old 02.03.2019, 15:14
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I have no idea what thatís supposed to mean.

Either of which countries?
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The women's vote - in the UK, at least - was intended to weaken the political power of the newly enfranchised working class man. Notice how it was only middle class women who got the vote in 1918. Funny they never mentioned that during last year's celebrations.

But I digress...
And what an interesting digression that was, thanks for the hint!

The Women Who Didnít Get The Vote In 1918

So what did they celebrate last year? The two-class society?
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Old 02.03.2019, 15:24
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You would think so - and yet. 1000s upon 1000s of British 'expats' (aka immigrants) in Dordogneshire and SW France and the Costas of Spain and Portugal, etc- voted to leave - and now are complaining bitterly that they, the 'proper' EU immigrants !?!?!? should not be affected at all and screaming blue murder as they are losing their privileges. You know, those who moved because there were too many foreigners back home, who didn't speak the language, had their own shops and foods and restaurants, their own Clubs and Churches and hardly ever interacted with locals, etc, etc- and who do exactly that wherever they are. Many have now changed their mind though, because and only because they now see how it will affect them.
How will it affect them?

Do you know something that we don't?

Have you considered that it would be economic suicide for vast tracts of the Spanish coastline if they were to shut their doors to British pensioners.
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You would think so - and yet. 1000s upon 1000s of British 'expats' (aka immigrants) in Dordogneshire and SW France and the Costas of Spain and Portugal, etc- voted to leave - and now are complaining bitterly that they, the 'proper' EU immigrants !?!?!? should not be affected at all and screaming blue murder as they are losing their privileges. You know, those who moved because there were too many foreigners back home, who didn't speak the language, had their own shops and foods and restaurants, their own Clubs and Churches and hardly ever interacted with locals, etc, etc- and who do exactly that wherever they are. Many have now changed their mind though, because and only because they now see how it will affect them.
Why would not speaking the language make any difference to how they voted, are you saying they are more stupid than Brits that do speak the local language?
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Why would not speaking the language make any difference to how they voted, are you saying they are more stupid than Brits that do speak the local language?
I'm just shocked to learn that the British residents of the Dordogne, Spain and Portugal apparently didn't enjoy the same rights to a secret ballot that the rest of us enjoyed!
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Re: Brexit raising its urine ugly head

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So what did they celebrate last year? The two-class society?
Something that many would like to go back to. The Brexit vote would have been totally different if only the cosmopolitan elite would have been allowed to vote. It's time the uppity working classes went back to knowing their place.

People who don't have at least three passports and haven't shaken the hand of Nelson Mandela ... and they can vote? What is the world coming to.
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I'm just shocked to learn that the British residents of the Dordogne, Spain and Portugal apparently didn't enjoy the same rights to a secret ballot that the rest of us enjoyed!
I'm pleased to see you already gave the region it's name back.
Mumbai had to wait a lot longer
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Either of which countries?
Check the post you replied to. As for which, all four of them in your case.
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I do wonder how the vote would have panned out if every British citizen, regardless where they are or how long they have been out of the country, had gotten the chance to vote on such an important issue.
Would a slightly more "travelled" voter have tipped the scales over the more conservative populist voter?
I was not eligible to vote for or against Brexit. Had this situation been different, I would have voted REMAIN, REMAIN and REMAIN!
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I do wonder how the vote would have panned out if every British citizen, regardless where they are or how long they have been out of the country, had gotten the chance to vote on such an important issue.
Would a slightly more "travelled" voter have tipped the scales over the more conservative populist voter?
No, the result would have been the same.
Different numbers of course but still Leave.

The difference between Leave and Remain was 1.3mln whereas 1.3mln born in the UK are living abroad, not all of which have UK citizenship and are of voting age and are still allowed to vote. So even if all living abroad had voted Remain (which would never happen btw), the result would still have been to Leave.
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Check the post you replied to. As for which, all four of them in your case.
Nope, youíll have to enlighten me because it still makes no sense to me.
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I was not eligible to vote for or against Brexit. Had this situation been different, I would have voted REMAIN, REMAIN and REMAIN!
Exactly, you were not asked.
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