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Re: Ethiopian Airlines ET 302 crashed near Addis Ababa

“We had NO idea that this MCAS even existed. It was not mentioned in our manuals anywhere (until today). Everyone on the 737 had to go through differences training for the MAX and it was never mentioned there either,” the anonymous pilot posted. “I’ve been flying the MAX-8 a couple times per month for almost a year now, and I’m sitting here thinking, what the hell else don’t I know about this thing?”


"The fact that U.S. pilots were not informed about the change means that almost certainly the Lion Air pilots too were unaware."


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https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ion-air-crash/
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines ET 302 crashed near Addis Ababa

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“We had NO idea that this MCAS even existed. It was not mentioned in our manuals anywhere (until today). Everyone on the 737 had to go through differences training for the MAX and it was never mentioned there either,” the anonymous pilot posted. “I’ve been flying the MAX-8 a couple times per month for almost a year now, and I’m sitting here thinking, what the hell else don’t I know about this thing?”


"The fact that U.S. pilots were not informed about the change means that almost certainly the Lion Air pilots too were unaware."


interesting article:


https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ion-air-crash/
This sort of software solution may well be completely normal in this industry; to me it sound like a bodge!
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines ET 302 crashed near Addis Ababa

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Boeings production rate of all types is 52 a month, not just the B737.
See (from 12 Sep 2018):

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...rate-h-451853/

specifically:

"Earlier this year, Boeing boosted 737 production from 47 to 52 aircraft monthly, and plans another hike to 57 aircraft monthly in 2019."

On top of this are 787s in Everett and Charleston, 777s and 767s in Everett, and half of a 747-8F per month in Everett.

Perhaps by "all types" you meant just both flavors of 737s.


Interesting:

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/03/ar...tunity-for-us/

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines ET 302 crashed near Addis Ababa

From Sully:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he...irlines-crash/


From LA Times:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...cid=spartanntp

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines ET 302 crashed near Addis Ababa

The Boeing 737 Max affair is beginning to sound a bit like the Volkswagen Diesel affair.
That is an inherently weak technical concept was covered up by a concealed software feature.
In the Volkswagen case, the engines could not otherwise perform adequately and meet the pollution requirements.
In the Boeing case, the planes could not otherwise be sold on the basis of requiring only a minimum of pilot upgrade training.
In ultimate costs of such dishonesty are and are going to be huge.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines ET 302 crashed near Addis Ababa

This is perhaps more telling.

"(Reuters) - Boeing Co's safety analysis of a new flight control system on 737 MAX jets had several crucial flaws, the Seattle Times reported on Sunday.

Boeing's safety analysis of the flight control system called MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) understated the power of this system, the Seattle Times said, citing current and former engineers at the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

The FAA also did not delve into any detailed inquiries and followed a standard certification process on the MAX, the Seattle Times reported citing an FAA spokesman.

The report also said both Boeing and the FAA were informed of the specifics of this story and were asked for responses 11 days ago, before the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines 737 MAX last Sunday, killing all 157 people on board. The same model flown by Lion Air crashed off the coast of Indonesia in October, killing all 189 on board.

Boeing was not immediately available for comment.

The FAA did not immediately respond to requests for comment."

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/boeing-...times/44830398
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines ET 302 crashed near Addis Ababa

Not sure if this can be classed as an example of the law of unintended consequences.
It is claimed the US/China trade talks are stalling because a key part was China agreeing to buy many more Boeing planes but now the Chinese seem less enthusiastic!
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines ET 302 crashed near Addis Ababa

From today (Monday) U.S. edition of the Wall Street Journal:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/faas-73...ed-11552868400

This might prompt for a (trial) subscription. Usually, WSJ articles become "open" after a day or three.

Here is how it starts:

Boeing Jet Draws Criminal Probe

Federal prosecutors, DOT inspector general scrutinize the development of plane

Federal prosecutors and Department of Transportation officials are scrutinizing the development of Boeing Co.'s 737 MAX jetliners, according to people familiar with the matter, unusual inquiries that come amid probes of regulators' safety approvals of the new plane.

A grand jury in Washington D.C. issued a broad subpoena dated March 11 to at least one person involved in the 737 MAX's development ...
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines ET 302 crashed near Addis Ababa

The FAA subcontracted its inspection and approval process for the plane to Boeing's employees. Okay, nothing to see here then...

https://www.apnews.com/c6f08e5ff1264d909cd31914dc223f34
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