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Now that is definitely not her fault.

You think Nome est Omen?

Tintin.com has made no less than 27 reports on the environment and ecological issues
Not at all.

Just shows her parents had a sense of humour.
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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

Criticise the children for pointing out that we're destroying their habitat and not doing a damn thing to fix the problem?

Is this just a collective coping mechanism to displace self blame for having been complicit in accelerating the problem to begin with?

At least the kids have some sense left in this dying world...
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Old 14.03.2019, 20:43
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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

Hopefully we won’t leave a demolished planet to our successors. Generation Z will outpace and outsmart Millennials with advent of the 4th Industrial Revolution. Bigger, stronger, smarter and faster.
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Criticise the children for pointing out that we're destroying their habitat and not doing a damn thing to fix the problem?

Is this just a collective coping mechanism to displace self blame for having been complicit in accelerating the problem to begin with?

At least the kids have some sense left in this dying world...
Given the amount of trash they leave during such demonstrations they as a group are just another part of the problem and they hardly do shit to solve the problem.
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Old 14.03.2019, 20:53
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Given the amount of trash they leave during such demonstrations they as a group are just another part of the problem and they hardly do shit to solve the problem.
Source for trash claim?
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Old 14.03.2019, 21:08
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Hopefully we won’t leave a demolished planet to our successors. Generation Z will outpace and outsmart Millennials with advent of the 4th Industrial Revolution. Bigger, stronger, smarter and faster.
Hopium.

We're done, game over, it's curtains time. No amount of veganism, tree planting, or electric cars will save us. Carbon capture?- billions of tons of carbon must be extracted annually for decades, using tech that doesn't exist.

We''ll be leaving a demolished planet to the bacteria, and the world will maybe return to evolutionary sophistication in a million years or so. Too bad that noone/nothing will be around to remember us by...

I feel sorry for the kids.
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Old 14.03.2019, 21:15
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Criticise the children for pointing out that we're destroying their habitat and not doing a damn thing to fix the problem?

Is this just a collective coping mechanism to displace self blame for having been complicit in accelerating the problem to begin with?

At least the kids have some sense left in this dying world...
Not at all! (Speaking for myself).

I was criticizing this:

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In Belgium for example on some schools students are forced to participate in climate demonstrations, not walking along is viewed as unjustified skipping class.

Politics have declared this as perfectly fine.......
That is just not on!

And while I write this I realize I took Edwin's word for this (not my usual strategy) - is there a link to support this statement? (Yes I'll go look for it myself as well).

However, yes it's the youth roaming the world glued to the handy, shouting for bigger, faster, cheaper, everything new and updated every year at least.
It is also the youth who needs a livable enviroment in 40 years. So they are entitled to fight for it and - as they are young - I can even live with the fact that some of them do not make the connection between their own behaviour and the problem.

What I can not accept is schools forcing young people to demonstrate for anything. Schools must be neutral - big enough job in itself - Edwin's story is a major feck-up.
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Old 14.03.2019, 21:17
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Not at all! (Speaking for myself).

I was criticizing this:



That is just not on!

And while I write this I realize I took Edwin's word for this (not my usual strategy) - is there a link to support this statement? (Yes I'll go look for it myself as well).

However, yes it's the youth roaming the world glued to the handy, shouting for bigger, faster, cheaper, everything new and updated every year at least.
It is also the youth who needs a livable enviroment in 40 years. So they are entitled to fight for it and - as they are young - I can even live with the fact that some of them do not make the connection between their own behaviour and the problem.

What I can not accept is schools forcing young people to demonstrate for anything. Schools must be neutral - big enough job in itself - Edwin's story is a major feck-up.
How do you feel about compulsory education in general?

Also, those kids are on smart phones given to them by adults. Produced by adults. Marketed to them by adults, using any and all manner of psychological tricks to get them hooked. I've never heard a child talking about all the new features on the latest iPhone version- that's something I've only ever seen here on EF..
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Old 14.03.2019, 21:19
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Hopium.

We're done, game over, it's curtains time. No amount of veganism, tree planting, or electric cars will save us. Carbon capture?- billions of tons of carbon must be extracted annually for decades, using tech that doesn't exist.

We''ll be leaving a demolished planet to the bacteria, and the world will maybe return to evolutionary sophistication in a million years or so. Too bad that noone/nothing will be around to remember us by...

I feel sorry for the kids.
Total Madmax fury road!
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Old 14.03.2019, 21:19
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Criticise the children for pointing out that we're destroying their habitat and not doing a damn thing to fix the problem?

Is this just a collective coping mechanism to displace self blame for having been complicit in accelerating the problem to begin with?

At least the kids have some sense left in this dying world...
Maybe they haven’t resigned themselves to their fate yet! The older you become the more jaded you become. Perhaps we have all seen this before many times, protests I mean, that raise an issue in the population of earths collective mind for a mere millisecond, then the next day or week, it’s back to business as usual.
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Total Madmax fury road!
If you keep up with the latest science on climate change, it's obvious that we've basically passed the point of no return. Nothing but a complete collapse of global industrial civilization might save us now, but even that would lead to the end of current aerosol pollution which causes global dimming, and cause a near immediate 1 deg temp rise.

Yeah, it's grim, and tough to process. I'm doing my best to keep in good spirits about it-

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Old 14.03.2019, 21:38
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If you keep up with the latest science on climate change, it's obvious that we've basically passed the point of no return. Nothing but a complete collapse of global industrial civilization might save us now, but even that would lead to the end of current aerosol pollution which causes global dimming, and cause a near immediate 1 deg temp rise.

Yeah, it's grim, and tough to process. I'm doing my best to keep in good spirits about it-

'Woohoo! We partied till the house burned down! We rode it till the wheels fell off!'
Problem 1: National debt of countries grows during our era.
Solution 1: They will start saving until there will be surplus during their era.

Problem 2: Pollution will grow during our era.
Solution 2: They will reverse the trend during their era.

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Problem N: Basically any problem during our era cannot be solved.
Solution N: Any kind of problem will be solved during their era.

Who is “them”?
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Old 14.03.2019, 21:43
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Who is “them”?
Bacteria, viruses, maybe some fungi
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Old 14.03.2019, 21:48
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Bacteria, viruses, maybe some fungi
We should stop it right there!

Let’s not only write about it.
Let’s do something about it tomorrow!
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And while I write this I realize I took Edwin's word for this (not my usual strategy) - is there a link to support this statement? (Yes I'll go look for it myself as well).......
Not found evidence. On the contrary, some schools/governements threatened the kids with consequences should they skip school. It was German kids who thanked the governement for doing so as it made more kids take part (good to see some things don't change).
Kids with a permission of their parents are allowed to skip school in Belgium to join the demonstrations. Nowhere it said, the kids are forced to take part by the schools.

So Edwin, time for you to back up your claim!


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How do you feel about compulsory education in general?
Funny thing to ask, didn't expect that from you.
1+1 is 2 and xx is the political opinion you must have. (Those were the days .... )

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Also, those kids are on smart phones given to them by adults. Produced by adults. Marketed to them by adults, using any and all manner of psychological tricks to get them hooked.
Yep, we always read about parents suffering that their children refuse to accept the latest toys. We never read about parents lamenting that they don't have the finances to fulfill their childrens demands for the latest gadgets and fashion.
These modest kids are totally being corrupted by their parents.

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I've never heard a child talking about all the new features on the latest iPhone version- that's something I've only ever seen here on EF..
Seriously? LOL. Where do you live?
It's the 11 year olds who explain the newest features to us nowadays. Which is perfectly okay with me as in this century I guess that is part of general knowledge.
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We should stop it right there!

Let’s not only write about it.
Let’s do something about it tomorrow!

"Tomorrow, 'I'll think of it tomorrow, at Tara"....
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"Tomorrow, 'I'll think of it tomorrow, at Tara"....
That reminds me about a dude who wanted to stop smoking and had his “last cigarette”. He has stuck a note on the ceiling reading. “ I will stop smoking tomorrow”. Each day he woke up and looked up in relief “How great that’s it’s only tomorrow .. “
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But of course, it's the political and proactive youth and certainly not influenced by any parents.
A couple of years ago, there was a disturbing trend for naming baby boys Corbyn in the UK. I actually met one at Geneva airport before a flight back to the UK in August 2017.

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It's like forcing kids to go to church for brainwashing. Normally turns 'em right off.
I've long believed, if you want to make sure your child becomes an atheist, and never falls into one of the happy clappy sects, send them to a Catholic school. It worked for all but one of my classmates.
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How do you feel about compulsory education in general?

Also, those kids are on smart phones given to them by adults. Produced by adults. Marketed to them by adults, using any and all manner of psychological tricks to get them hooked. I've never heard a child talking about all the new features on the latest iPhone version- that's something I've only ever seen here on EF..
Well, some [parts] of some smart phones are probably made by children.
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And while I write this I realize I took Edwin's word for this (not my usual strategy) - is there a link to support this statement? (Yes I'll go look for it myself as well)..
If I make such statement I make sure upfront that I can back it up.

https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/vlaamse...icht~ae36943d/

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