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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

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Basically nothing we can do will save the world
Things is even tho a lot of people feel otherwise, this is not about saving the world. This is about keeping our habitat most optimised for ourselves as the human species and the other species we think are needed for that or those that can be cuddled. The earth itself could care shit for it being warmer or colder or the oceans rising or not. Earth will do fine with or without us.
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In 15 yrs those kids will still be ordering at McDonalds or buy their food at the supermarket, this since they have the advantage of living in a rich society. Perhaps at higher prices, perhaps sometimes something not available but that's all we will notice here.
You've really got MacDonald's on the brain ..

Hopefully that's all these kids will experience in the future ( alhough that generally relates to higher food prices In the 'developing' countries, so someone will feel the burden)

Unfortunately, temp changes are happening far faster than previously expected:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/c...te-change.html

https://www.unenvironment.org/news-a...-locked-arctic


We are already seeing disruptions in the flow of the jet stream, storms, drought, floods,etc. and we're just getting started. When the Arctic goes 'ice free' , which may happen is as little as a decade, we'll be in real trouble. It takes 80 calories of heat energy to melt 1 gram of ice at 0 deg. into 1 gram of water at 0 deg. From that point on, it just heats up. 80 more calories, and that gram of water will be at 80 deg. Picture a drink on ice on a summer's day, sitting in the sun. It stays at right around freezing until there are no ice cubes left before heating up very quickly. The Arctic ocean in Summer will become a warm drink..

Right now Arctic water surface temps stay at around -1.3 deg, the freezing point of sea water, and this helps to regulate air temps. Imagine how the weather will be when the Arctic air and water are significantly warmer.. it could potentially disrupt the Earth's 3-celled atmospheric circulation pattern and flip the climate from it's current state to a 'hothouse earth' scenario, with tropical conditions developing at the poles, and a dead zone around the equator.


I've heard people say things like ' im sure glad I won't be around in 100 years to see the effects.."- but these changes can happen quickly, and have before In Earth's history. What would a 10 deg. temp rise over the course of a decade mean for global agriculture/ civilization? Or even just 1 or 2 degrees more than we've already added? Collapse. And it won't be pretty.

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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

Well maybe it's time for the young and the students to get back to the 60's.
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Should start with teachers impressing their world view onto their pupils.
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"The world is yours, as well as ours, but in the last analysis, it is yours. You young people, full of vigour and vitality, are in the bloom of life, like the sun at eight or nine in the morning. Our hope is placed on you. The world belongs to you." - Mao

"He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future." - Not Mao

There's a long tradition of making good use of the enthusiasm and energy of idealistic young people.
Well there are teachers and teachers , teaching and teaching.The movie title 'The good ,the bad and the ugly" coms to my mind

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Well there are teachers, teaching and teaching.The movie title 'The good ,the bad and the ugly" coms to my mind
I reserve the two of the three adjectives!
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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

It's been 24 hours since my last post. In that time, humanity has added the equivalent of over 400,000 Hiroshima sized A-bombs worth of heat energy to the atmosphere, along with over 2073600000000 lbs. of CO2.

Of course, we've done nothing at all about solving the problem. We're not even trying..

The little personal consumer choices we make to lessen our impact on the environment are meaningless, piss In the ocean. Our whole civilization is like a bunch of helpless crack babies, addicted to cheap fossil fuel energy. If there is to be any glimmer of hope at all for a way out of this death trap, we need to massively fund R+D for carbon capture tech, and clean energy to power the process. As in, starting right now.

https://thinkprogress.org/earths-rat...-44689384fef9/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/carbon-...ds-per-second/

Re: politicization of kids: Climate change isn't a political issue any more than cancer or small pox are political issues. Or gravity. Or the Earth being flat. Surely there are opportunists all around who are willing to politicize for their own interests, but we shouldn't let ourselves lose sight of the issue .

These so- called deniars should be brought to justic for deliberately peddling false information in the biggest crime against humanity( and life in general) that may ever take place:

https://grist.org/politics/donald-tr...ew-york-times/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yzDjjUAt3zc
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Go nuclear big time!

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Go nuclear big time!

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It's the only concievable solution-advanced nuclear tech powering current energy consumption needs along with carbon capture facilities, worldwide. Still a moonshot, but wtf else are we going to do? Just wait to die?

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It's the only concievable solution-advanced nuclear tech powering current energy consumption needs along with carbon capture facilities, worldwide. Still a moonshot, but wtf else are we going to do? Just wait to die?
So dont change. Dont worry. They will remove all the C02 that you put out.
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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

Meanwhile, she should perhaps star in a Stephen King movie:



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So dont change. Dont worry. They will remove all the C02 that you put out.
Not to virtue signal, but I already lead a basically non- consumer lifestyle. My clothes are mostly second hand, I'm basically vegan, I drive less than 1000k a year, I haven't heated my apartment at all this winter, and I grow as much of my own food as I'm able. It doesn't make a difference at all, really, except for making me feel better.

For instance, a study was done by MIT to calculate carbon footprints across a range of lifestyles In the USA. Even a homeless dumpster diving Buddhist monk puts out more than 8 tons of CO2 a year, even if just using libraries, roads, medical facilities, wearing clothes, etc.

Personal lifestyle choices don't mean so much in the big picture, apart from private jets and similar absurdities. There's no such thing as 'better for the environment'. We need a massive overhaul of the energy system,.collectively. No layman can just build a carbon capture plant in their backyard
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No layman can just build a carbon capture plant in their backyard
Umm, yess they can.

It's called planting a tree.

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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

As long as we don't want to solve the amount of humans there simply will be no solution.

It is only March and earths population already grew with almost 17 million people this yr. And it is the regions with the strongest growth that also showing enormous growth in consumption for the already existing population.

We can think and talk all we please, but if this does not change there is simply no other solution than to hope that the wars to come (source limitations combined with human nature leaves no other option) will decimate the population.

Having no sugar in my coffee, showering shorter or take the bus more often are all good for the mind but mean nothing for the big picture.
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Not to virtue signal, but I already lead a basically non- consumer lifestyle. My clothes are mostly second hand, I'm basically vegan, I drive less than 1000k a year, I haven't heated my apartment at all this winter, and I grow as much of my own food as I'm able. It doesn't make a difference at all, really, except for making me feel better.
Can I beat you on this?

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Personal lifestyle choices don't mean so much in the big picture, apart from private jets and similar absurdities. There's no such thing as 'better for the environment'. We need a massive overhaul of the energy system,.collectively. No layman can just build a carbon capture plant in their backyard
I completely agree.

Except that on top of all this, I think that there is a collective effort and collective effort. Imho, collective activism doesn't do much, exactly for the miniscule effect that all the personal sacrifice has, in the large picture of the catastrophy. Kumbaya.

I personally think that those efforts to employ global eco sanctions have been dubious, since it seems that unless everybody is on board, all countries (and they have never been), it will only disadvantage/advantage economically (which it seems to want to, anyways).

I think that the only way to make difference is through political representation, in an open political environment where valid info has a chance to be found. I think that the kids have a chance to make positive change not through demonstrations but by finding some good way to ask good questions. They will be the ones voting soon, whether they are vegans or heating their homes for winter or not. The only thing is, if they keep missing school, not sure if they are upping their activism skills or their skills to ask good questions and where/how to look for valid answers.

One doesn't change the future by switching off heating but by knowing exactly what effect it has.

You cannot have a crowd demonstrating about our bleak eco future and at the same time complaining how already expensive our cost of living is. It will be more.
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Umm, yess they can.

It's called planting a tree.

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Except that it seems that some urban planners (or city sanitizers?) prefer cement.

One reason I would not live in Iceland despite that place being so awesome, is the fact that they got rid off their trees. It is quite depressive. They also run through water use like nobody else does.
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Having no sugar in my coffee.
Who puts sugar in coffee (or tea, for that matter)?

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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

The problem is that the idiot greenies want to eliminate the only viable non-greenhouse gas producing method of energy production.

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