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Old 17.03.2019, 16:41
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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

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Umm, yess they can.

It's called planting a tree.

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It's estimated that we'd need three earths worth of forests to extract the carbon already emitted. We should still be planting as much as possible though,- native species, fruit trees, and edible perennials in diverse forest plantings, to increase local food security, create habitat, etc

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The problem is that the idiot greenies want to eliminate the only viable non-greenhouse gas producing method of energy production.

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Not to virtue signal, but I already lead a basically non- consumer lifestyle. My clothes are mostly second hand, I'm basically vegan, I drive less than 1000k a year, I haven't heated my apartment at all this winter, and I grow as much of my own food as I'm able. It doesn't make a difference at all, really, except for making me feel better.

For instance, a study was done by MIT to calculate carbon footprints across a range of lifestyles In the USA. Even a homeless dumpster diving Buddhist monk puts out more than 8 tons of CO2 a year, even if just using libraries, roads, medical facilities, wearing clothes, etc.

Personal lifestyle choices don't mean so much in the big picture, apart from private jets and similar absurdities. There's no such thing as 'better for the environment'. We need a massive overhaul of the energy system,.collectively. No layman can just build a carbon capture plant in their backyard
Is that the biggest fear now - being accused of virtue signalling...You can virtue signal all what you want as long as you live by your words.

As for the rest, I partially agree with you. There is such a thing better for the environment and small personal challenges mean something when cumulated. As well as those on a corporate level, country, regional level. Of course, the biggest challenge is finding viable renewable energy sources but saying that our efforts mean shit is not exactly accurate.

Btw, on a different note - those who want a reduction in population growth should start by not bringing new human lives into the world. Just saying.
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Old 17.03.2019, 17:10
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Is that the biggest fear now - being accused of virtue signalling...You can virtue signal all what you want as long as you live by your words.

As for the rest, I partially agree with you. There is such a thing better for the environment and small personal challenges mean something when cumulated. As well as those on a corporate level, country, regional level. Of course, the biggest challenge is finding viable renewable energy sources but saying that our efforts mean shit is not exactly accurate.
I don't want to virtue signal, I don't want to pretend that my lifestyle is ' better for the environment', or imply that Im superior to someone who buys a new smartphone each year. This isn't a competition..
Our economy should evolve to reflect the true costs of products, from resource extraction to disposal. In the meantime, we need to figure out a way to suck carbon out of the atmosphere, how to power it, and how to scale it up, ASAP.

We don't really have time to sit around theorizing how society would be perfect if everyone made great individual choices. By the time we're done handing out blame, the oceans may be boiling.


Consuming less is a good thing, and a large % of all the energy use and pollution comes from people (myself included) buying junk they don't need, that doesn't make them happy, which then gets dumped in a landfill or incinerated. What a tragic waste of resources.
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Old 17.03.2019, 17:13
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Btw, on a different note - those who want a reduction in population growth should start by not bringing new human lives into the world. Just saying.
We are two humans and only produced one, that is a 50% reduction towards the next generation.

Won't help much given the amount of kids a Nigerian woman gets on average.
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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

And so it begins:

https://www.thelocal.se/20190210/bus...ofiteer-charge

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Old 18.03.2019, 00:45
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Old 18.03.2019, 12:02
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We are two humans and only produced one, that is a 50% reduction towards the next generation.

Won't help much given the amount of kids a Nigerian woman gets on average.
There's a thin line between personal freedom and governmental demographic policies that shouldn't be crossed me thinks. One child policy in China has had its own downsides as you know. It's the same in Europe, look at the demographic rates on each country it's way bellow natural replacement rate. Anyways - education, access to family planning, only things like that can reverse the trend in some regions.
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Old 18.03.2019, 15:01
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How do you feel about compulsory education in general?
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Funny thing to ask, didn't expect that from you.
1+1 is 2 and xx is the political opinion you must have. (Those were the days .... )

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Old 18.03.2019, 16:05
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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

Maybe if we stopped killing all the people who invent actual solutions?
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Old 19.03.2019, 17:28
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Re: Give them back their lives [politicization of young people]

Interesting, isn't it, that these protests involve being being absent from school.

I wonder if the protests were organized during their free time, if the same number of kids would turn out to show how much they care.
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Old 19.03.2019, 17:35
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Interesting, isn't it, that these protests involve being being absent from school.

I wonder if the protests were organized during their free time, if the same number of kids would turn out to show how much they care.
If combined with a McD discount it might be even more busy.
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Old 19.03.2019, 17:38
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If combined with a McD discount it might be even more busy.
And I say - a bit shorter presence. Dinner and crafting their online personas in their room. McDs - not trendy.
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Old 19.03.2019, 17:40
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Interesting, isn't it, that these protests involve being being absent from school.

I wonder if the protests were organized during their free time, if the same number of kids would turn out to show how much they care.
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If combined with a McD discount it might be even more busy.
Apparently, in some cases, it's out of their hands when and whatever time it's planned...


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In Belgium for example on some schools students are forced to participate in climate demonstrations, not walking along is viewed as unjustified skipping class.

Schrödinger's protesters. Simultaneously skiving school and being coerced into protesting. ...Aaand being flippantly dismissed regardless.
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Old 19.03.2019, 20:29
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If combined with a McD discount it might be even more busy.
Would you prefer if they shopped at Whole Foods?

http://www.mightyearth.org/mcwholefoods

McDonalds is an easy target, but do you think the carbon footprint of a McDs meal is less than that of a home cooked burger, if all the ingredients are bought at Migros or Coop? Including packaging, energy efficiency, etc? I imagine that McDs is 'more sustainable'.

At would point would the kids cease to be hypocritical?

'Hey, - you're not a vegan farmer! How dare you care about the future! And you there - you say you care about wildlife but you're wearing shoes made of petroleum! Back to your desks to spend your short childhoods under the artificial lights, all of you! We'll make productive office workers out of you yet, even if there is no future! Bwahahahaa!'
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Would you prefer if they shopped at Whole Foods?
Simply truth is that I don't care where they shop since I don't care if the earth should be deemed inhabitable on a Monday or as of a Tuesday. Either we bring the population down by disease or by war or it al does not matter anyway where they shop.
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