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The UK had better terms than any other member in the past decades. What exactly are you hoping for?
Terms that allow the UK voter to feel that ultimately their government has complete control and absolute sovereignty. It's more about perceptions that reality, but there has always been a feeling, which I'm sure was a huge contributor to the referendum result, that by being in the EU the UK has surrendered control of its own legal system - it's felt almost tantamount to a foreign occupation.

Not my personal view, I should point out.
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Old 24.05.2019, 12:56
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IMO, the most desirable outcome is that someone will come in who is able to renegotiate a deal for Britain to stay in the EU on more favourable terms than before, and force a less federal approach to the whole European idea, that will keep the UK voters happy.
You clearly have not got the foggiest idea how things work. Do you seriously think that the political leaders of the 27 member states plus the voters in Denmark, Ireland and France are going to agree to disadvantage themselves in order to you the deal that you want??? It would take treaty changes to that and that is not going to happen. ďLook what a great deal we gave the U.K.Ē is not going to win many votes for any European politician. Can you for a minute imagine the Irish/Danish/French head of government urging their voters to vote against their best interests...
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Old 24.05.2019, 12:57
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Terms that allow the UK voter to feel that ultimately their government has complete control and absolute sovereignty. It's more about perceptions that reality, but there has always been a feeling, which I'm sure was a huge contributor to the referendum result, that by being in the EU the UK has surrendered control of its own legal system - it's felt almost tantamount to a foreign occupation.

Not my personal view, I should point out.
Well, I mean the UK should know - theyíre still the leading experts on occupying foreign countries 😬
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Old 24.05.2019, 13:02
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Meanwhile on planet Corbyn:

https://twitter.com/peoplesmomentum/...57746410778624
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Old 24.05.2019, 13:04
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Do you seriously think that the political leaders of the 27 member states plus the voters in Denmark, Ireland and France are going to agree to disadvantage themselves in order to you the deal that you want???
Not quite sure why you chose to ignore the sentence following the text you quoted,
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You clearly have not got the foggiest idea how things work. Do you seriously think that the political leaders of the 27 member states plus the voters in Denmark, Ireland and France are going to agree to disadvantage themselves in order to you the deal that you want???
Thereís likely going to be some sort of reform of the whole freedom of movement idea as even within the ďcore EUĒ most people arenít overly fond of it (except for our buddy Angie of course). But thatíll likely take place long after Brexit.

The good thing is: the UK wants to leave and while initially this may not have been the case, a lot of unions citizens are rather happy that the British will be out soon. So itís a win-win situation at this point. Iím certainly one of those who are saying: go, the sooner the better! - Iíve long had the feeling that Britain only shared in the ďEuropean ideaĒ as long as they got advantages out of it. Once it became time to actually embody the ideas, they didnít want anything to do with them anymore. So my personal perspective on this: go and donít look back, so we can focus on issues that our population actually care for. Not being held back in questions of common defense, education spending etc will be a great relief.
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Old 24.05.2019, 13:09
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Iíve long had the feeling that Britain only shared in the ďEuropean ideaĒ as long as they got advantages out of it.
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Old 24.05.2019, 13:11
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Darn it, I gave myself away too easily 😱
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Old 24.05.2019, 13:19
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Iíve long had the feeling that Britain only shared in the ďEuropean ideaĒ as long as they got advantages out of it.
Err, yes? In what way is that any different from any other member state?
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Old 24.05.2019, 13:20
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Thereís likely going to be some sort of reform of the whole freedom of movement idea as even within the ďcore EUĒ most people arenít overly fond of it (except for our buddy Angie of course). But thatíll likely take place long after Brexit.

The good thing is: the UK wants to leave and while initially this may not have been the case, a lot of unions citizens are rather happy that the British will be out soon. So itís a win-win situation at this point. Iím certainly one of those who are saying: go, the sooner the better! - Iíve long had the feeling that Britain only shared in the ďEuropean ideaĒ as long as they got advantages out of it. Once it became time to actually embody the ideas, they didnít want anything to do with them anymore. So my personal perspective on this: go and donít look back, so we can focus on issues that our population actually care for. Not being held back in questions of common defense, education spending etc will be a great relief.
We will see the future road of the EU after Sunday. In my opinon the rightwing populists have a great Chance to recalibrate the EU to thier Image. Either that or the established parties are going to lean a bit more to the Right. In either way the EU is going to get nastier.
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Old 24.05.2019, 13:22
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Re: UK prime minister resigns

"While May was almost uniquely ill-equipped to be the negotiator we needed, the truth is she was given an impossible job," says Green MP and former leader of the party Caroline Lucas.

"You can’t achieve a hard Brexit and avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland.

"No new PM can achieve it either."

Pains me to agree with a Green MP but I do.

Juncker has already said there won't be any change to the deal (for the millionth time). It seems the brexiteers and the morons on QT don't seem to get that into their thick skulls.

It's this deal, no deal, or no brexit.

I've maintained since the referendum result that I think it is going to be no brexit.
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Juncker has already said there won't be any change to the deal (for the millionth time). It seems the brexiteers and the morons on QT don't seem to get that into their thick skulls.

It's this deal, no deal, or no brexit.

I've maintained since the referendum result that I think it is going to be no brexit.
Who cares what Juncker thinks? Heís going to be gone soon and replaced by a new President (who you canít vote for). Everything is negotiable.
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Err, yes? In what way is that any different from any other member state?
Thereís one big difference: the others arenít leaving.
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Thereís one big difference: the others arenít leaving.
There is one other big difference: the others actually joined.
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We will see the future road of the EU after Sunday. In my opinon the rightwing populists have a great Chance to recalibrate the EU to thier Image. Either that or the established parties are going to lean a bit more to the Right. In either way the EU is going to get nastier.
I doubt it. Thereís one thing about right wing extremists that has been rather universal in the last 2-3 decades: theyíre short-lived and if they manage to gain power for brief periods of time, they usually screw up so badly that theyíre replaced by more moderate forces next time around. Iím not really that worried about them, even if they manage to make gains this weekend.

If they do, at least thereíll be talks about reducing freedom of movement - which is not something Iíd be happy to see but itís something that needs to be done if the EU wants to survive long-term.
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Who cares what Juncker thinks? Heís going to be gone soon and replaced by a new President (who you canít vote for). Everything is negotiable.
The UK can negotiate as much as they want but the EU has the high ground and only a sith deals in absolutes.
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The UK can negotiate as much as they want but the EU has the high ground and only a sith deals in absolutes.
Iíve always maintained that if there was a PM prepared to go down the route of a low tax, low regulation economy 21 miles off the last of Europe than the EU would soon sit up at the negotiation table. Itís not about dealing in absolutes, itís about have the means to be taken seriously by the other side. Itís the same reason why countries have nukes. It remains to be seen if Boris would be that guy.
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Iíve always maintained that if there was a PM prepared to go down the route of a low tax, low regulation economy 21 miles off the last of Europe than the EU would soon sit up at the negotiation table. Itís not about dealing in absolutes, itís about have the means to be taken seriously by the other side. Itís the same reason why countries have nukes. It remains to be seen if Boris would be that guy.
Spoilers ahead

It won't be
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Iíve always maintained that if there was a PM prepared to go down the route of a low tax, low regulation economy 21 miles off the last of Europe than the EU would soon sit up at the negotiation table. Itís not about dealing in absolutes, itís about have the means to be taken seriously by the other side. Itís the same reason why countries have nukes. It remains to be seen if Boris would be that guy.
and when the ports are gridlocked and no food etc is coming in, who starves first, the UK or the EU?
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and when the ports are gridlocked and no food etc is coming in, who starves first, the UK or the EU?
This would never happen, especially if thereíd been a PM who made serious preparations for no deal. As it was May was weak and allowed Phillip Hammond to get away with not releasing the necessary funding for no deal preparations simply because heís a Remainer. Yet another mistake.
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