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I’ve always maintained that if there was a PM prepared to go down the route of a low tax, low regulation economy 21 miles off the last of Europe than the EU would soon sit up at the negotiation table. It’s not about dealing in absolutes, it’s about have the means to be taken seriously by the other side. It’s the same reason why countries have nukes. It remains to be seen if Boris would be that guy.
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Old 24.05.2019, 14:09
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This would never happen, especially if there’d been a PM who made serious preparations for no deal. As it was May was weak and allowed Phillip Hammond to get away with not releasing the necessary funding for no deal preparations simply because he’s a Remainer. Yet another mistake.
and why would it never be allowed to happen?? just doing the required customs checks and paperwork in the event of a no deal brexit will gridlock the ports and airports within hours, as has been proved many many times in the past couple of years, and more recently the past couple of months at calais.
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And the moral of the story is: don’t have a Remainer attempting to lead the country out of the EU.

Now come on Borris, let’s see what ya fackin got!
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My money says she's in the celeb line up for Strictly 2019. You heard it here first...
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Re: UK prime minister resigns

It's also worth mentioning that WTO rules was never a leave position during the referendum. The only time they really talked about WTO rules was when they were dissing remain and saying that was 'project fear'

Now you have Farage wittering on about WTO rules being the way forward.

Guess project fear wasn't too far off the mark then.
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Old 24.05.2019, 14:15
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Written like any true Eastern European
Couldn't have put it better myself Loz!
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Well perhaps its only me, but I feel sorry for her. She inherited an impossible job because labour would (and will continue to) vote against anything the government puts up because its just dreaming of a general election and will do anything - anything - to get one.

A quarter of the Conservative party will also vote against anything because they want to force no deal. So in the end, no one will ever win.

May had to deal with this and tried. If she had "listened to parliament" during the negotiations they would have got nowhere because parliament is split. She had to do it like she did and then she's been done up like a kipper until she had to resign.

She is a 62 year old woman in tears having lost her job having to address the whole country (and world) about it. if you have some level of humanity, thats someone you feel sorry for. If she'd spent the last 3 years murdering kids, then you might not. But she hasnt, she has spent the last 3 years trying to get everyone to agree, they all argued with each other, then in the end kicked her out because they couldn't agree with the man next to them.
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May had to deal with this and tried. If she had "listened to parliament" during the negotiations they would have got nowhere because parliament is split. She had to do it like she did and then she's been done up like a kipper until she had to resign.
And whose fault is that? Her own! She inherited a majority and went into an general election with a 16 point lead and managed to screw it up. Zero sympathies.
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Re: UK prime minister resigns

Well good or bad its a change and certainly that was needed right now.

What is a disgrace is the time frame. A new leader by end of July. Depending who that is could cause splits, elections, who knows, but lets go by best case

New leader end of July
Oh Summer holidays
Back to work in September
3 weeks of party conferences after a whole week of graft
hmmm 3-4 weeks until Brexit D-Day and nothing has happened again!!

Faced with the option of hard Brexit or no Brexit, which in all reality should have been the option 3 years a go with out all the mess and expense
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Old 24.05.2019, 15:41
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I’ve always maintained that if there was a PM prepared to go down the route of a low tax, low regulation economy 21 miles off the last of Europe than the EU would soon sit up at the negotiation table. It’s not about dealing in absolutes, it’s about have the means to be taken seriously by the other side. It’s the same reason why countries have nukes. It remains to be seen if Boris would be that guy.
Just imagine for a second you are the negotiator on the EU side. Explain me how you could take any of the things that happened in the UK the last years seriously? You simply dont have a trustworthy and dependable counterpart. How many Brexit ministers were there? I lost count...

If I had spend two years negotiating with some PM who clearly has no control over her ministers, let alone have support in parliament… lets just say I would be less inclined to make compromises either… because I know that you wont keep your part of the deal and no matter what I give into will the next PM take my part of the compromise as an agreed starting point…

Its not the EU who gave the UK some bad deal, its May who terribly misjudged the situation and was somehow convinced that if she lets stuff just escalate the EU will at some point give in... Its a lose-lose situation overall, but the UK has more to lose than the EU. I remember that the Irish border came up in the public discussion the very day after the referendum. It wasnt a surprise… the changing ministers all just did not feel like solving it, apparently convinced that it is the EUs job to present a solution to everything and theirs to just complain a little.

I really dont understand how any Brit can still believe that you are better off leaving the EU - there are clearly more issues in London than Brussels… I would be scared to have to rely solely on the sort of leadership May provided. Which is essentially one of the success factors of the EU - the political power is in real terms spread among more institutions, so even when the Italians elect an idiot again will Italy not come crashing down as hard as it could be…
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Old 24.05.2019, 16:45
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Couldn't have put it better myself Loz!
Well, it was a very short sentence. If you’d made mistakes regurgitating it, that would have been somewhat embarrassing.
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Re: UK prime minister resigns

Must say I'm surprised Jacob Rees-Mogg hasn't thrown his Top Hat into the Tory leadership race ring -
as he has all the attributes of a Tory leader of yesteryear and even looks photogenic on British Pathé News.





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Good riddance to the most useless UK PM in modern times. She really was an example of pathetic leadership in all aspects of her office and she deserves to be branded as such for years to come.
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Who cares what Juncker thinks? He’s going to be gone soon and replaced by a new President (who you can’t vote for). Everything is negotiable.
Most likely it will be Barnier, as he is favoured by all 27 states, since he proved himself very good at keep the 27 together and achieving their wishes, with Merkel and Manfred Weber also in the game .
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Old 24.05.2019, 19:23
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I’ve always maintained that if there was a PM prepared to go down the route of a low tax, low regulation economy 21 miles off the last of Europe than the EU would soon sit up at the negotiation table.
Rubbish as usual. What the hell good is a country with low taxes and regulations, if it can't actually sell services and trade with anyone??? This is typical kindergarten nonsense where by you assume that you can do what you like and none else will stop you. But of course they will.
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Well perhaps its only me, but I feel sorry for her...

...She is a 62 year old woman in tears having lost her job having to address the whole country (and world) about it. if you have some level of humanity, thats someone you feel sorry for.
There's been a lot in the media in recent days about how it's wrong to characterise a woman MP or PM by saying that they were crying in a Cabinet meeting. The people really in the know say there wasn't a single tear.

"...that I love!" sealed it for me today. She should have stopped her speech after the first part, but no. She rambled on into Grenfell, etc. Sorry. Zero sympathy, and after watching the last 30secs back several times, to me that wasn't a heartbroken woman. That was the spitting venom retort of a 3yr old about to have complete meltdown in the middle of Tesco when you won't buy their favourite biscuits. I'm just glad they got the cat out of the way before she kicked it.
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There's been a lot in the media in recent days about how it's wrong to characterise a woman MP or PM by saying that they were crying in a Cabinet meeting. The people really in the know say there wasn't a single tear.

"...that I love!" sealed it for me today. She should have stopped her speech after the first part, but no. She rambled on into Grenfell, etc. Sorry. Zero sympathy, and after watching the last 30secs back several times, to me that wasn't a heartbroken woman. That was the spitting venom retort of a 3yr old about to have complete meltdown in the middle of Tesco when you won't buy their favourite biscuits. I'm just glad they got the cat out of the way before she kicked it.
Couldn’t disagree more. I don’t know what’s happened to people’s humanity nowadays.

Reminds me of the woman who sang ding dong the witch is dead when thatcher died. After she boasted about it on Telly. Said thatcher only cared about the rich and left poor people to die. they looked into her background, she bought her council house for 80k the sold it for about 300k months later then pissed the whole lot up the wall until she was broke, then went back to saying the tories were scum and hated poor people.

What’s all the grenfield shit anyway ? It wasn’t the current Tory government that put in the cladding and to say she wasn’t as human as Corbyn is because she wasnt as well received on the ground because she’s a Tory and they hated tories.
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Couldn’t disagree more. I don’t know what’s happened to people’s humanity nowadays.
I'll reserve my compassion for the millions of people in the UK who have had to resort to using food banks on her watch. The highest level since they've been in operation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8317001.html

https://www.trusselltrust.org/

I'll reserve my compassion for all the people who've lost loved ones in the recent stabbings across the country on her watch.

I'll reserve my compassion for the people who are still living in high rise blocks with ACM cladding almost 3yrs after Grenfell, on her watch.

https://www.building.co.uk/news/more...097288.article

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...style-cladding

I'll reserve my compassion for all the people affected by the Windsrush scandal and scared witless by the 'Go Home' vans sent out into UK cities, on her watch.

My humanity and compassion runeth over, but independently wealthy woman resigns from the job she was incompetant at. Nah.
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Old 24.05.2019, 22:45
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The situation in the UK is that social forces have outstripped the politicians ability to comprehend. They seem to be forced to do what the "plebs" want and that has never been a good idea,
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Just for clarity, I didn't say that. I prefer her to Corbyn actually, which only serves to emphasise what a sorry state British politics is in.

Regardless of Brexit, and I mean taking Brexit completely out of the equation, May has still been one of the worst British PMs in modern history. Right at the beginning, I was prepared to give her chance (despite the protests of my OH) but that rapidly evaporated.
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