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Old 25.05.2019, 17:17
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....Regardless of Brexit, and I mean taking Brexit completely out of the equation, May has still been one of the worst British PMs in modern history. Right at the beginning, I was prepared to give her chance (despite the protests of my OH) but that rapidly evaporated.
I think that's a bit unfair. I'm not a fan but at least she was prepared to give it a go when everybody could see it was an impossible job. 50% don't want brexit and the 50% that do will never agree to a deal or no deal, and don't forget that you are dealing with 27 heads of state who don't want, or have, to give you anything.

I think it is fairer to say that collectively, this bunch of MPs is the worst in history, petty in-fighting and bloodymindedness have stopped the government from governing. Normal day to day running of the country just hasn't been done since the vote.

The conservatives are just an embarrassing mess, and Corbyn has been invisible in most of this.
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Old 25.05.2019, 17:46
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Simply, being PM through Brexit was such a poisoned chalice that May's main mistake in my opinion was not realising that and running a mile in the opposite direction. Perhaps hubris, perhaps best intentions, perhaps power grabbing got in the way. I'd like to think best intentions.

I am not particularly partisan but I was a fan of May. I realise that many will disagree, but I thought that as PM she was a decent, intelligent person who attempted to uphold what the office was about, and in Brexit this meant fulfilling the decision of the nation. I do not think it was a precondition to be a leaver to be a PM.

Ok we won't talk about the dancing, but I felt pretty gutted for her watching her exit speech.

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I think it is fairer to say that collectively, this bunch of MPs is the worst in history, petty in-fighting and bloodymindedness have stopped the government from governing. Normal day to day running of the country just hasn't been done since the vote.
I could not agree more with this, only to extend it to the other side of the pond to our special friends. Even though Trump is laughable, I even think how Pelosi acts is awful, although I am not that far out of alignment with her basic views.

Getting back to the poisoned chalice, I am pretty sure the cup runneth over for the next holder of it too.
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I think that's a bit unfair. I'm not a fan but at least she was prepared to give it a go when everybody could see it was an impossible job. 50% don't want brexit and the 50% that do will never agree to a deal or no deal, and don't forget that you are dealing with 27 heads of state who don't want, or have, to give you anything.
I did stipulate "taking Brexit completely out of the equation".

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8929116.html

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I am not particularly partisan but I was a fan of May. I realise that many will disagree...
This is not a criticism of you personally, but I find the concept of being a fan of a politician a little disturbing and inappropriate. Always have done.
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Old 25.05.2019, 22:27
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I did stipulate "taking Brexit completely out of the equation".

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8929116.html


This is not a criticism of you personally, but I find the concept of being a fan of a politician a little disturbing and inappropriate. Always have done.
The thing is, you can't take brexit out of the equation because then there would be nothing left. Brexit has taken over EU and UK politics since the vote, it has smothered everything else. May has been ineffective as PM because Brexit has been overbearing. The cabinet hasn't been working together as one at any time during May's reign as PM.
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Old 25.05.2019, 22:39
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I’ll laugh if the combined efforts Tory MPs and media to prevent Boris becoming PM results in the more right wing and more anti-EU Dominic Raab getting the job.
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We all felt it was coming, that they will put May under so much pressure that she will eventually resign. No sane person can last that long taking beating from the party, without losing a sleep over divided vote. Another scapegoat will be elected and if the current shenanigans continue, there won’t be any Brexit in my opinion.
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I'll reserve my compassion for the millions of people in the UK who have had to resort to using food banks on her watch. The highest level since they've been in operation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8317001.html

https://www.trusselltrust.org/

I'll reserve my compassion for all the people who've lost loved ones in the recent stabbings across the country on her watch.

I'll reserve my compassion for the people who are still living in high rise blocks with ACM cladding almost 3yrs after Grenfell, on her watch.

https://www.building.co.uk/news/more...097288.article

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...style-cladding

I'll reserve my compassion for all the people affected by the Windsrush scandal and scared witless by the 'Go Home' vans sent out into UK cities, on her watch.

My humanity and compassion runeth over, but independently wealthy woman resigns from the job she was incompetant at. Nah.
Very good populist stuff - you may also do a good line in selling Socialist Worker at rallies I expect. Neatly ignores of course that those issues have their roots far far before May took her brief 3 year tenure.

In a way it sort of summarizes what her downfall was. Because she couldnt communicate at an emotional level she is considered failed at all levels to the public, who identify more with people they feel are like them, rather than any notice of who is actually working for them perhaps out of sight. In the end, when we actually got just a few seconds view of how much it had meant to her, how completely she had thrown herself into the job, it's dismissed as made up because it doesn't match the populist image required of being emotionally in it "for the werking man" that is the current fashion.

Funnily enough, it leaves us in an astonishing situation where two genuinely malicious, lying, cheating scumbags, who both pretend to be genuinely kind and looking for the country first, Johnson and Corbyn, might actually get to lead the country.

I think Nigel Farage might be the next real PM, but not necessarily the next PM. Give the incumbent tories time to fail, Labour are past their peak, the libdems are still just utterly hopeless and change.uk hasnt worked. There are enough people out there who like Farage (not myself, I might add) and he actually has the necessary charisma, that you could see him as PM.
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Old 26.05.2019, 00:40
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Very good populist stuff - you may also do a good line in selling Socialist Worker at rallies I expect. Neatly ignores of course that those issues have their roots far far before May took her brief 3 year tenure.
You couldn't be further from the truth. I began to despise Corbyn back in the days when he was connected to the SWP in the late 80s / early 90s, and I've had occasion to go at an SWP member with a steering wheel lock when he attacked my car whilst I was driving it. Corbyn is scum and I just wish everyone could see through him.

Having said that, we can't ignore Windrush which had May's fingerprints all over it. Even with Brexit ruling over her tenure, a good manager should be able to delegate effectively and efficiently, but she didn't even manage that. There is nothing at all populist about the PIP assessments debacle, and many other urgent policies that were neglected and left millions of people struggling. How can the UK be the 6th richest economy in the World yet have 4 million of it's people regularly depending on food banks?

For those who did want Brexit to happen, surely biggest failing was calling the GE. Nobody in their right mind can ignore that as being a huge strategic failure.

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Funnily enough, it leaves us in an astonishing situation where two genuinely malicious, lying, cheating scumbags, who both pretend to be genuinely kind and looking for the country first, Johnson and Corbyn, might actually get to lead the country.
There we agree, and I pray that we never see the day when either of them is leading the UK. I know who I'd like to see lead the Tories, but he doesn't want the job. I like my politicians to be sensible, stoic, diligent, responsible, co-operative, responsive and solutions driven with exceptional management and delegation skills. Shouldn't be too much to ask.
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Old 26.05.2019, 02:34
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Anybody else wishing Maggie were back?
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Re: UK prime minister resigns

Must say I'm really delighted with the way things are turning out, as the more entrenched the ERG and the
Hard line Brexiteers become the more likely the option of No Deal being the best that Brexit can put
forward. Which makes the possibility of No Deal being the completely unacceptable option to put before
Parliament and voted against to avoid the complete ruination of British commerce and vulnerable
national interest concerns like British Steel going under ( in a WTO environment ) and no doubt many
other business concerns that Parliament will deem of the nation interest to save from going to the
wall, outside the EU which leaves A50 being revoked when all this pans out.

Add into the equation the time wasting and running down the Clock again thanks to a Tory leadership
contest, that will not be decided until the end of July after which were into the Summer recess
until September, Party Conferences in September which leaves only 4 weeks in October for the
Leader of the Tory Party to say - No I'll never strike a Brexit deal with a Marxist leader of the Labour Party -
leaving Parliamentarians with no other choice but to vote against Britain leaving the EU by revoking A50.

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Must say I'm really delighted the way things are turning out, as the more entrenched the ERG and the
Hard line Brexiteers become the more likely the option of No Deal being the best that Brexit can put
forward which makes the possibility of No Deal being the completely unacceptable option to put before
Parliament and voted against to avoid the complete ruination of British commerce and vulnerable
national interest concerns like British Steel going under ( in a WTO environment ) and no doubt many
other business concerns that Parliament will deem of the nation interest to save from going to the
wall outside the EU which leaves A50 being revoked when this all pans out.

Add into the equation the time wasting and running down the Clock again thanks to a Tory leadership
contest, that will not be decided until the end of July after which were into the Summer recess
until September, Party Conferences in September which leaves only 4 weeks in October for the
Leader of the Tory Party to say - No I'll never strike a Brexit deal with a Marxist leader of the Labour Party -
leaving Parliamentarians with no other choice but to vote against Britain leaving the EU by revoking A50.
What a confusing mess!
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Old 26.05.2019, 11:30
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Re: UK prime minister resigns

It will be more like this ...

Apologies for a campaign that has taken us nearly 4 years of shattered dreams and we annoyed lots of people on both sides in the process but we have consciously decided to abandon the Brexit. No deal is better than horrible mistake deal. Shit happens!
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It will be more like this ...

Apologies for a campaign that has taken us nearly 4 years of shattered dreams and we annoyed lots of people on both sides in the process but we have consciously decided to abandon the Brexit. No deal is better than horrible mistake deal. Shit happens!
Methinks the best bit is going to be when the politicians try to put some convincing spin on the whole affair.
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How can the UK be the 6th richest economy in the World yet have 4 million of it's people regularly depending on food banks?

For those who did want Brexit to happen, surely biggest failing was calling the GE. Nobody in their right mind can ignore that as being a huge strategic failure.
Because rich economies have food banks - they’re the sign of a fully functioning healthy society. In poorer economies you starve. They even have them in Switzerland you know.

And calling the General Election wasn’t a strategic failure, the Tories were 16 points up at the time. It was her useless campaign that was the failure. Refusing to listen to anyone else apart from her tea boys; that ridiculous slogan “strong and stable” straight from a focus group. Say what you want about Cameron, but he would have annihilated Corbyn at a General Election.
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And calling the General Election wasn’t a strategic failure, the Tories were 16 points up at the time. It was her useless campaign that was the failure. Refusing to listen to anyone else apart from her tea boys; that ridiculous slogan “strong and stable” straight from a focus group.
You know I was one of many who was yelling that she was an unelected (by the people) PM and needed the mandate of a GE to legitimately proceed. I never expected her to fall for it and call a GE that threw away their majority. It's been incredible to watch a leader isolate themself from the country they lead and the party they represent. I haven't seen that before in the UK in my lifetime.

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Say what you want about Cameron, but he would have annihilated Corbyn at a General Election.
Totally agree. If 2015 had been Cameron vs Corbyn...
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What a confusing mess!
I’m glad it isn’t only me who finds that impossible to read.
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Must say I'm really delighted with the way things are turning out, as the more entrenched the ERG and the
Hard line Brexiteers become the more likely the option of No Deal being the best that Brexit can put
forward. Which makes the possibility of No Deal being the completely unacceptable option to put before
Parliament and voted against to avoid the complete ruination of British commerce and vulnerable
national interest concerns like British Steel going under ( in a WTO environment ) and no doubt many
other business concerns that Parliament will deem of the nation interest to save from going to the
wall
, outside the EU which leaves A50 being revoked when all this pans out.

Add into the equation the time wasting and running down the Clock again thanks to a Tory leadership
contest, that will not be decided until the end of July after which were into the Summer recess
until September, Party Conferences in September which leaves only 4 weeks in October for the
Leader of the Tory Party to say - No I'll never strike a Brexit deal with a Marxist leader of the Labour Party -
leaving Parliamentarians with no other choice but to vote against Britain leaving the EU by revoking A50.
Here's the Director General of UK Steel disputing claims made by Farage, BoJo and others that troubled British Steel
would be better off in a Brexit Britain trading under WTO rules.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ays-trade-body
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LOL at Tories polling below 10%. If Theresa May had any decency then she’d come out today and resign again!

Tories absolutely need Brexiteer as the next leader, even then it could probably be too late for them. Fool me once etc.
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The people have spoken - I hope the government finally gets it now and lets the EU know that they want to leave instantly and without a treaty.

Def no need for another vote, that’s for sure.
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Yes, once again Britannia will rule the waves with the jolly jack tars assisted by the brave red coats sticking it to Johnny Foreigner! Brexit looks like being a real success! Provided Boorish Johnson can keep his pants up long enough, he will bring to Number 10 the same competence he brought to the FCO, as Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe will testify as she does the morning slopping-out.

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LOL at Tories polling below 10%. If Theresa May had any decency then she’d come out today and resign again!

Tories absolutely need Brexiteer as the next leader, even then it could probably be too late for them. Fool me once etc.
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