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No, I think you'll find the brexit 'party' isn't a political party at all, its been well documented what it actually is, a company. People can't 'join' the leader isn't elected etc etc, once again you're spouting total rubbish without even bothering with the basic facts.
Up is down. Black is white. Left is right etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_Party
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Up is down. Black is white. Left is right etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_Party
have you actually read that article????


"A company called 'The Brexit Party Limited' was incorporated with Companies House on 23 November 2018"

"The Brexit Party has no members, just paying 'registered supporters',[40] with Farage having a high level of control over decision-making, including hand-picking candidates himself."

Clearly not a political party
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have you actually read that article????


"A company called 'The Brexit Party Limited' was incorporated with Companies House on 23 November 2018"

"The Brexit Party has no members, just paying 'registered supporters',[40] with Farage having a high level of control over decision-making, including hand-picking candidates himself."

Clearly not a political party
yeah but come on, the point of the argument is the party / company / hippie-collective did well in the polls. The fact that it is / isn't a party isn't really the point, its how popular they are that is.

You could say there's widespread fake news going on with reference to the "Conservative Party" when that doesn't exist, its the Conservative and Unionist party.
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yeah but come on, the point of the argument is the party / company / hippie-collective did well in the polls. The fact that it is / isn't a party isn't really the point, its how popular they are that is.

You could say there's widespread fake news going on with reference to the "Conservative Party" when that doesn't exist, its the Conservative and Unionist party.
its the very definition of fake news, the company isn't a party, the fact people are calling it a political party proves how effective fake news has become, say it enough times and people just accept it. Its also highly amusing (in a screwed up way) that people defend them by spouting 'fake news, fake news' when they are themselves fake news, everything nigel farage has said has been fake, his 'party' is fake, he previous party was fake yet say one word against them and the far right yell 'fake news, fake news', give me a break.
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have you actually read that article????


"A company called 'The Brexit Party Limited' was incorporated with Companies House on 23 November 2018"

"The Brexit Party has no members, just paying 'registered supporters',[40] with Farage having a high level of control over decision-making, including hand-picking candidates himself."

Clearly not a political party
Not a political party.

“The Brexit Party is a Eurosceptic political party in the United Kingdom (UK). Established in 2019, it is led by Nigel Farage. The party has 29 Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) and four Welsh Assembly Members...

...The party's constitution was published by the Electoral Commission as a result of a freedom of information request in May 2019.[37] It describes the party as seeking to "promote and encourage those who aspire to improve their personal situation and those who seek to be self-reliant, whilst providing protection for those genuinely in need; favour the ability of individuals to make decisions in respect of themselves; seek to diminish the role of the State; lower the burden of taxation on individuals and businesses."[38] SDP politician Patrick O'Flynn, who was elected as a UKIP MEP under Farage's leadership and supported the Brexit Party in the 2019 European elections, commented on the constitution's description of the party as following classical liberalism and ascribed them as having a Thatcherite ideological core.[39]”
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its the very definition of fake news, the company isn't a party, the fact people are calling it a political party proves how effective fake news has become, say it enough times and people just accept it. Its also highly amusing (in a screwed up way) that people defend them by spouting 'fake news, fake news' when they are themselves fake news, everything nigel farage has said has been fake, his 'party' is fake, he previous party was fake yet say one word against them and the far right yell 'fake news, fake news', give me a break.
Ok, so it should be called the Brexit Limited Company then. I dont see the big deal myself.

In terms of everything Nigel Farage has said is fake, it only adds fuel to the fire of people who want Brexit. What has he said recently that is demonstrably fake ?

I dont get why people have it in for him so much. He wants to move Britain in a direction of leaving the EU so he campaigns for it, but he's absolutely vilified for it. Don't like him, fine. but everything he says is fake ?

Everything Labour say on Brexit is fake, thats for sure the are too busy hating people from israel. Conservatives dont even manage to get out fake or real news they are in such a mess and the libdems have managed to get themselves after all these years in the wilderness up to the front of popularity with a nice clear statement " f-u-c-k the vote, we arent doing brexit." Nice and diplomatic, looking forward to democracy when they are in charge.

Brexit won't happen, its almost certain, but raging against people who want to do something they voted for doesnt make it better.
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Old 03.06.2019, 16:03
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Not a political party.

“The Brexit Party is a Eurosceptic political party in the United Kingdom (UK). Established in 2019, it is led by Nigel Farage. The party has 29 Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) and four Welsh Assembly Members...

...The party's constitution was published by the Electoral Commission as a result of a freedom of information request in May 2019.[37] It describes the party as seeking to "promote and encourage those who aspire to improve their personal situation and those who seek to be self-reliant, whilst providing protection for those genuinely in need; favour the ability of individuals to make decisions in respect of themselves; seek to diminish the role of the State; lower the burden of taxation on individuals and businesses."[38] SDP politician Patrick O'Flynn, who was elected as a UKIP MEP under Farage's leadership and supported the Brexit Party in the 2019 European elections, commented on the constitution's description of the party as following classical liberalism and ascribed them as having a Thatcherite ideological core.[39]”
you can say it, and highlight it as much as you want, doesn't make it so.
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Old 03.06.2019, 16:09
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yeah but come on, the point of the argument is the party / company / hippie-collective did well in the polls. The fact that it is / isn't a party isn't really the point, its how popular they are that is.

You could say there's widespread fake news going on with reference to the "Conservative Party" when that doesn't exist, its the Conservative and Unionist party.
saying its a political party gives them a veneer of legitimacy, so far right supporters like loz can then trumpet their cause.

Its not a party in any traditional sense of the word, its one mans band wagon.

Can you join the 'party'? - no
Can you choose the leader - no
Does it have a manifesto - no

the list is endless, and if it really doesn't matter if it is or isn't then why are you and loz arguing so much that it is a party??? doesn't matter to you, move on, ignore it.
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saying its a political party gives them a veneer of legitimacy, so far right supporters like loz can then trumpet their cause.

Its not a party in any traditional sense of the word, its one mans band wagon.

Can you join the 'party'? - no
Can you choose the leader - no
Does it have a manifesto - no

the list is endless, and if it really doesn't matter if it is or isn't then why are you and loz arguing so much that it is a party??? doesn't matter to you, move on, ignore it.
It doesnt, as I said. I thought the point of this argument was that it was popular. not whether it is or isnt technically a party. I'll come back when we actually return to the original point, which is that its popular, whatever its makeup.
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...In terms of everything Nigel Farage has said is fake, it only adds fuel to the fire of people who want Brexit. What has he said recently that is demonstrably fake ?
Well let's start here:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...lies-1-6083312

There's LOTS more if you really want to go that route.
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Well let's start here:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...lies-1-6083312

There's LOTS more if you really want to go that route.
Im not sure on the point. The gist seems to be he made a statement saying people who wanted brexit want it to be executed and the caller says he would like a second referendum. Im not sure if I understand the question. Are you saying that because one person called in and said in his personal view was that there should be a second referendum out of millions, means that Farage's general statement that people want Brexit to be executed is false ? If this is the standard we are held to, then almost no one would be able to make any statements whatsoever on anything.

If its the bus thing, I thought this was Boris and Vote Leave wasnt it ? I think Farage has said he never backed that.

The Turkey comment is more interesting I don't know the ins and outs of that, that one could be fake but I expect its around the interpretation at the time.
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...If its the bus thing, I thought this was Boris and Vote Leave wasnt it ? I think Farage has said he never backed that.

The Turkey comment is more interesting I don't know the ins and outs of that, that one could be fake but I expect its around the interpretation at the time.
Farage only decided he didn't back the bus a couple of hours AFTER the referendum.

Turkey was an out and out lie.

Here's a few more

Farage lies constantly.
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anyway, as farage can't be elected leader of the tories or even form a coalition with them as his company has no MP's, lets get this thread back on track

so, Boris, will he do it? or will one of the 13(and counting) others snatch it away from him again
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so, Boris, will he do it? or will one of the 13(and counting) others snatch it away from him again

Despite all the talk, I don't think Boris will get to be PM - Hunt or Gove have higher chances. And thus Brexit ending up a very soft one or even kicked down the road again.
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Despite all the talk, I don't think Boris will get to be PM - Hunt or Gove have higher chances. And thus Brexit ending up a very soft one or even kicked down the road again.
I think Gove or possible outsider Rory ‘stack me a monster on the opium pipe’ Stewart.
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Boris Johnson - integrity issues, marmite amongst colleagues, possible court case, loved by the membership.

If the Tories choose Johnson, they will never win a GE with him as leader. The media make a big thing about him lying in newspaper columns, derisory comments about ethnic and religious minorities and the lie on the side on the bus that he repeated numerous times. What they're missing is, the public know all that, but they also know that he fathered a child outside of his last marriage and denied it, until a court ruled in 2013 that it was in the public interest to report that he is the father. This is on top of having previously been sacked from office for lying about a previous affair. The man himself still doesn't see that this is an issue... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-9788837.html

Whilst none of this may have been an issue for the electorate in the Tory safe seat of Uxbridge and South Ruislip in 2015, being PM is an entirely different ball game. Johnson does not have the faintest scrap of moral authority required to garner respect amongst the nation. He bumbles his way through life, being led by his pants, and ruining the lives of everyone who relies on him. To paraphrase Jess Phillips, I wouldn't trust him to hold my pint, never mind run the country.

As for the others...

James Cleveley - novice MP

Dominic Raab - Contorversy over his account of meeting with Simon Coveney https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status...36168239177728 Possibly the most disingenuous of them all.

Andrea Leadson - Bright, well respected amongst colleagues, talented at making herself unpopular with the electorate and resignation was ill timed.

Jeremy Hunt - Remainer, doctors and teachers despise him but he interviews well. After watching him on Peston, I'm thinking he's been to a voice coach to lower his tone and appear a more serious person.

Esther McVey - Not particularly bright. Slipped up with this comment over the diversity teaching in schools. https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1134008889660325888

Rory Stewart - Hmmm... He's trying to be normal, but I don't think it will work. Remainer that point blank refuses to hold a second referendum.

Michael Gove - regardless of his talents and failings, his close friendship with George Osborne could be contentious amongst the membership. The membership also won't like that he has stated that he would want to delay Brexit by another year. On a national level, his wife is an absolute liability. Vile woman!
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Boris Johnson - integrity issues, marmite amongst colleagues, possible court case, loved by the membership.

If the Tories choose Johnson, they will never win a GE with him as leader. The media make a big thing about him lying in newspaper columns, derisory comments about ethnic and religious minorities and the lie on the side on the bus that he repeated numerous times. What they're missing is, the public know all that, but they also know that he fathered a child outside of his last marriage and denied it, until a court ruled in 2013 that it was in the public interest to report that he is the father. This is on top of having previously been sacked from office for lying about a previous affair. The man himself still doesn't see that this is an issue... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-9788837.html

Whilst none of this may have been an issue for the electorate in the Tory safe seat of Uxbridge and South Ruislip in 2015, being PM is an entirely different ball game. Johnson does not have the faintest scrap of moral authority required to garner respect amongst the nation. He bumbles his way through life, being led by his pants, and ruining the lives of everyone who relies on him. To paraphrase Jess Phillips, I wouldn't trust him to hold my pint, never mind run the country.
Boris Johnson won the mayoral election twice in the Labour stronghold of London. If he were leader I wouldn’t bet against him to win a General Election IF he’s able to deliver Brexit. He’s the best chance the Tories have of avoiding the complete meltdown of their party and the membership know this. If his name is one of the the final two that go out to the membership then he will win.
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Boris Johnson won the mayoral election twice in the Labour stronghold of London. If he were leader I wouldn’t bet against him to win a General Election IF he’s able to deliver Brexit. He’s the best chance the Tories have of avoiding the complete meltdown of their party and the membership know this. If his name is one of the the final two that go out to the membership then he will win.
London a Labour stronghold? Not then. The 2010 GE (which nicely Straddles Johnson's 2 mayoral elections) show 1.24m votes for Labour and 1.17m Conservative votes. Plus 0.75m for the Liberals.

2017 was very different but driven by Brexit and long after Johnson's mayor campaigns.

Agree however that if he is one of the final two, he'll win with the tory membership by a landslide.

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