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Old 02.07.2019, 14:51
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Hong Kong demonstrations

The demonstrations in Hong Kong continue. China is not happy.

Any HK-ers here who could shed more light ?
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Old 27.05.2020, 16:07
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Resurrecting old thread as situation in Hong Kong deteriorates.

I wouldn't be surprised if China will tighten their grip on HK, things don't look good for the pro democracy movement.
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Resurrecting old thread as situation in Hong Kong deteriorates.

I wouldn't be surprised if China will tighten their grip on HK, things don't look good for the pro democracy movement.
Matter of time, before HongKong is just as much a normal part of China as the rest of the country with likely some economical special rulings to keep the companies in, but even those rulings will fade away over time. Imho the protestors are fighting a battle which is impossible for them to win.

Trump raging against China over Corona has put America aside in any discussion and there is no reason left anymore for the Chinese government to give in at whatever level they might have given in under normal circumstances.
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Old 27.05.2020, 20:11
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

China would like to rule HK without the human rights and democracy the demonstrators want. The U.S has very limited options to support them, whoever the president may be.
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China would like to rule HK without the human rights and democracy the demonstrators want. The U.S has very limited options to support them, whoever the president may be.
It's a damn shame what happened to Hong Kong. From a once world-class city, it's slowly degenerating into a mainland entity and there's nothing the world can do about it.
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

The US have just revoked Hong Kong's special status. As a consequence sanctions on China are now likely to apply to HK as well.
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

It's not the question if Hong Kong will lose their sovereignty, but when. Most likely way before 2047.
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Old 28.05.2020, 11:32
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The US have just revoked Hong Kong's special status.
Is it confirmed? Some sources say yes, others just report the announcement of such an intention made by Pompeo, which goes in the same direction but has a different weight.
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

It's not really revoking, by law every year it has to be extended or it expires automatically. And by law that special status is a demand for special treatment of HongKong.

So how exactly this is going, or when it would be effective is a mystery to me.
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Is it confirmed? Some sources say yes, others just report the announcement of such an intention made by Pompeo, which goes in the same direction but has a different weight.
Looks like your doubts are justified, apparently Pompeo only said the should be removed. Nothing final, yet.

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But of course a statement from Pompeo carries a lot of weight nonetheless; a warning shot before China's bow, figuratively speaking. According to the NYT the probable reason for Pompeo's statement is a new Chinese law, expected later this year, to suppress terrorism, support "natinal security" and quell calls for Hong Kong independence from China.
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

The Tiananmen remembrance vigil was banned this year, with an eye to tensions surrounding the new security law.

An interesting opinion piece from the SCMP, calling the vigil Hong Kong's 'canary in the coal mine':

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...rvive-beijings
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Why no demonstrations in Macau ?

Just out of interest are the new laws that China's seeking to impose on Hong Kong also going to be
imposed on Macau ?
As Macau ( a former Portuguese colony ) that was handed back to China in the same fashion as Hong Kong
was handed back to China, under the same terms of the 'one country, two systems' principle as HK.

So are the people of Macau simply more pro-Beijing than the people of Hong Kong ?, although it would be
interesting to know whether residents of Macau were entitled to keep Portuguse passports, the same as residents
of Hong Kong were entitiled to British Passports, for those born before the handover to China.

ABC News - Why Macua hasn't been swept up by Hong Kong's pro-democracy protests
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Surely the time has come for Boris to 'circle the wagons' for a bit of herd immunity ?
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Interesting question!

As far as I understand, back then during the colonial times, residents of Macau were given the same passport that all Portuguese people possessed. Therefore, residents of Macau who have a Portuguese passport are also EU citizens. Whereas in Hong Kong, people were only given a British National (Overseas) [BNO] passport, which does not give them the right to live and work in the UK, nor the EU citizenship before Brexit.

Macau is a tiny place. A lot of Macau people moved to Hong Kong or live between Hong Kong and Macau, especially the rich ones, like Stanley Ho's family. I don't know enough about Macau to comment, but they certainly have a very pro-Beijing Chief Executive Officer, and we never really hear about people in Macau complaining about their government! But perhaps that's just the media...
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Interesting question!

As far as I understand, back then during the colonial times, residents of Macau were given the same passport that all Portuguese people possessed. Therefore, residents of Macau who have a Portuguese passport are also EU citizens. Whereas in Hong Kong, people were only given a British National (Overseas) [BNO] passport, which does not give them the right to live and work in the UK, nor the EU citizenship before Brexit.

Macau is a tiny place. A lot of Macau people moved to Hong Kong or live between Hong Kong and Macau, especially the rich ones, like Stanley Ho's family. I don't know enough about Macau to comment, but they certainly have a very pro-Beijing Chief Executive Officer, and we never really hear about people in Macau complaining about their government! But perhaps that's just the media...
True and unlike London & the UK, Lisbon is very quite on the matter of letting citizens of Macau with Portuguese
passports, the right to move to Portugal for work and eventually settle in Portugal if they want to if ( like Hong Kong )
they feel their liberties are at stake if the one country, two systems is being eroded away by Beijing.
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

Simply put:
- Macau and itís residents has benefitted a lot from China over the last two decades. Macau lives from gambling and tourism. And the mainland Chinese love to visit and spend big.
- HK has lost a lot of its previous power as a trade hub to Shenzhen and Shanghai. Itís under a constant economic pressure from the cheaper neighbors resulting in less wealth than they had in the 80s or 90s. At the same time do Chinese buy up the real estate making life expensive and hard for the average Hongkonger...
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Simply put:
- Macau and itís residents has benefitted a lot from China over the last two decades. Macau lives from gambling and tourism. And the mainland Chinese love to visit and spend big.
- HK has lost a lot of its previous power as a trade hub to Shenzhen and Shanghai. Itís under a constant economic pressure from the cheaper neighbors resulting in less wealth than they had in the 80s or 90s. At the same time do Chinese buy up the real estate making life expensive and hard for the average Hongkonger...
According to my friend born in HK, the Chinese have also siphoned cash and have not invested in education in HK. Those resources were reinvested in Chinese education to the detriment of those in HK. It's a big reason behind the demonstrations. My friend also said, China has basically redeployed assets to render HK inferior regarding business and trade vis-a-vis Shanghai and Shenzen.

Pretty sad if you ask me. I also think Macao is basically a money laundering conduit/outlet.
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According to my friend born in HK, the Chinese have also siphoned cash and have not invested in education in HK. Those resources were reinvested in Chinese education to the detriment of those in HK. It's a big reason behind the demonstrations. My friend also said, China has basically redeployed assets to render HK inferior regarding business and trade vis-a-vis Shanghai and Shenzen.

Pretty sad if you ask me. I also think Macao is basically a money laundering conduit/outlet.
I frankly think thatís some of the typical conspiracy theories you get in HK (a lot) and not true. The city still has some of the best schools of Asia and Hongkongers enjoy a lot of privilege that should give them a head start... but just think of it how the Swiss hate German immigrants who donít work in services but manage to score the good jobs. Now consider that Germany is only slightly more competitive than Switzerland and has ďonlyĒ 80M. China is probably the most competitive country for graduate students entering the job market- they work like crazy to ďmake itĒ. And they are 1.4B people. So if you are an average student in HK do you have a hard time competing for jobs with literally millions who have better grades and desperately want to move there. Combine that with the outlook to live less well than their parents and you get to the root causes of the unrest. And also to the reason why China doesnít get HK - for Chinese are they already very privileged and if anything should be happy to live there...
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Re: Hong Kong demonstrations

I think part of what terrifisch's HK friend said was true, but of course we will never know for sure

It is very simple to understand the main reasons behind the unrest. The people of Hong Kong enjoyed a reasonable amount of freedom under British rule, and these freedoms were guaranteed for the 50 years after the handover in 1997. China couldn't wait due to various reasons and began pressuring the HK government into limiting these freedoms guaranteed way before the 50 year period ends. It's easy to give people "privileges" (brackets because I believe these are basic human rights), but it's hard to take them back. That's the first reason.

Apart from this, on a more social note, the people of HK interacted more with mainland Chinese ever since HK opened up more to mainland tourists. The influx of mainland tourists created a lot of inconvenience to HKers, which really doesn't help improve mainland Chinese' reputation in HK. Besides, more and more mainland Chinese came to HK in whatever way to seek permanent residence, which strains the social welfare system, which is, honestly, almost non-existent to begin with.

The HK government, on the other hand, knows who the "big boss" really is, and began implementing policies over the years that would benefit China/ Chinese people more than Hong Kong and its people. So HK people are faced with a situation in which 1) all kinds of freedom they used to enjoy are disappearing, 2) the gov isn't serving them anymore, 3) the Hong Kong they know of is becoming more and more foreign to them and 4) ridiculous things began happening around the city that are way below HKers' moral standards. Why wouldn't there be unrest?
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