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Yes! Even as much as white ones. 2 25.00%
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For sure, there are creative and driven problem solvers out there, but itís really the height of privilege without a clue to imagine everyone can just do it.

Not to mention the implicit "If you haven't reached the top, then it's only because you're lazy."
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Old 11.08.2019, 19:46
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Even if you earn $100 a week, itís going to be hard.

And no, people donít always make their own luck. Sometimes shit happens and youíre stuck. And no, thatís not an excuse, either.

The number of bankruptcies because of health emergencies should give you a clue.

For sure, there are creative and driven problem solvers out there, but itís really the height of clueless privilege to imagine everyone can just do it.

The ability to go Bankrupt is a dream to risk takers, not something the Swiss can do.
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Old 11.08.2019, 19:50
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Not to mention the implicit "If you haven't reached the top, then it's only because you're lazy."
The top is hugely overrated, I left school at 16 & worked. I always felt people who went for higher education were the lazy ones. Perhaps thatís not fair, just the ones without the imagination to leave school at 16
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The ability to go Bankrupt is a dream to risk takers, not something the Swiss can do.
Most of the people I know of who went bankrupt did it because of health expenses and it was no dream. No doubt there are high rollers who had fun with it.


And no it’s not fair to say people who leave school early have no imagination. It depends on what’s important to you. Imagination is separate.
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The top is hugely overrated, I left school at 16 & worked. I always felt people who went for higher education were the lazy ones. Perhaps thatís not fair, just the ones without the imagination to leave school at 16
I did both. I'm still skint.

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Most of the people I know of who went bankrupt did it because of health expenses and it was no dream. No doubt there are high rollers who had fun with it.
How many people do you know who set up businessís, you know entrepreneurs, not employees ?
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And no itís not fair to say people who leave school early have no imagination. It depends on whatís important to you. Imagination is separate.
You misunderstood, I said the people who stay on have no imagination
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I did both. I'm still skint.

That's what happens when you have kids.

Even when they become adults!

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How many people do you know who set up business’s, you know entrepreneurs, not employees ?
I know both. Some are happy to be employees, some not. I don’t think one is necessarily better than the other.

Yeah, you’re right - I misunderstood.
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I think that's mindset, people make their own luck.
The average poor person has to do something not average to become a millionaire, thats all. Oakley was set up out of a car boot with $300, Jim Jannard made more than a billion out of that.
Invest $100 a month for 40 years in equities & you have a reasonable chance of becoming a millionaire S&P 500 tracker would be a good starting point.
Great, I would be 100 and not have much use for a million anymore.
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I know both. Some are happy to be employees, some not. I donít think one is necessarily better than the other.

Yeah, youíre right - I misunderstood.
Which group have a higher no of bankruptcies?
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The top is hugely overrated, I left school at 16 & worked. I always felt people who went for higher education were the lazy ones. Perhaps thatís not fair, just the ones without the imagination to leave school at 16
So... with zero exposure to what school after 16 is like, you feel qualified to judge all of those who stayed?

Wow.

I've worked with people with every type of secondary and post secondary background, as well as school leavers (much earlier than you left). Some were lazy, some weren't. Some were intellectually gifted, some thick as two short planks. Some were breathtakingly creative, some had the soul of a bowl of porridge.

I don't find a correlation between level of education and success, or lack thereof.
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Who in the US earns $3 per day
Depending on the statistical models and methods you look at, somewhere between thousands and upward of a million. Y'all can look up Edin and Shaefer's work, and then look up Meyer's.

IMO both papers have merit, both have (philospohical) flaws. The methods used, the data included are different in the two studies, so an apples-apples comparison cannot be drawn.

Here are two articles summarizing (in lay person's terms) the debate around how extreme poverty ($2 per person in the household per day) is counted in the US.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...-shaefer-meyer
https://www.economist.com/democracy-...ive-on-2-a-day

The Economist article conclusion:

"And even if the number of Americans living on $2 a day is in the thousands, rather than over 1m, it is still too high."

Too damn high.
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The top is hugely overrated, I left school at 16 & worked. I always felt people who went for higher education were the lazy ones. Perhaps thatís not fair, just the ones without the imagination to leave school at 16

Oh dear. Scraping the barrel.


Were you invited to leave, as they say?

Creativity and drive are not synonymous. Though I'll bite and ask you why you think it's lazy to go into tertiary education?

It's possible to work from 16 and to give yourself opportunities by staying in education.
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Which group have a higher no of bankruptcies?
No idea.

I would say entrepreneurs, but there has been an increase in bankruptcy related to serious illness in the US.

My point is you canít always make your own luck....thatís all.
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So... with zero exposure to what school after 16 is like, you feel qualified to judge all of those who stayed?

Wow.

I've worked with people with every type of secondary and post secondary background, as well as school leavers (much earlier than you left). Some were lazy, some weren't. Some were intellectually gifted, some thick as two short planks. Some were breathtakingly creative, some had the soul of a bowl of porridge.

I don't find a correlation between level of education and success, or lack thereof.
Don't forget he's got some sort of super head family member who is the exception to all his bias against edumacation. All that knowledge will have done its osmosis thing through that well-known semi-permeable membrane of cash n' stuff.
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You misunderstood, I said the people who stay on have no imagination
Those who make their own luck also usually have imagination. And some can quit school early and work, then work and study again, then work and study and single parent. Just sayin'.

Thanks for bringing up achievers. They may inspire with their can-do attitude. Doesn't have to be their billions.
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And those with bugger all imagination can be loaded. And those with creativity and imagination to spare can have nothing.

I do not understand the insistence on pairing these two without explanation or indeed a nod to the fact that there are infinite combinations, some rich some not.
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Oh dear. Scraping the barrel.


Were you invited to leave, as they say?

Creativity and drive are not synonymous. Though I'll bite and ask you why you think it's lazy to go into tertiary education?

It's possible to work from 16 and to give yourself opportunities by staying in education.
No, I left school by choice, I knew what I wanted to do, making money was more important than a piece of paper. My brother had just got a scholarship to Cambridge.
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I knew what I wanted to do...
I feel that this is the definition of "making one's own luck".
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