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Yes! Even as much as white ones. 2 25.00%
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I feel that this is the definition of "making one's own luck".
Only if itís something that sustains you. Doesnít always work that way.
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Itís rare to have a job for life, being able to adapt is important.
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You misunderstood, I said the people who stay on have no imagination
Oh dear.

Find the figures for how well people do who go to university and get a good degree, compared with people who leave education at 16, and see how they got on in life. You were fortunate. You were one of the few who has an intelligence that is best brought out outwith the world education. I didn't realise you were one of those well balanced individuals with a chip on both shoulders.

I did go to university. Left at 21, quite adaptable, and I've no complaints about my wealth.
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Just my two cents..
I was pretty poor as a kid (70s - 80s).. I mean I had shoes and food but we didn't go on foreign holidays, ever, we had no car, no VCR, black and white TV, no central heating, most things were second hand....Blah.
I hated school and left at 15, directly after the "O Grades", I got 8 of them.. Apprentice electrician for 3 years then the company went bust, just before my final exams.. I paid for that myself and passed..
Couldn't get a job as a new electrician so ended up packing boxes and driving a forklift in IBM..
That was around 1991 i think.. I taught myself how to use the old green screen computers and worked my way up through all the various stuffs over the years, from network security, hosting, e-commerce, banking etc. No formal qualifications but I'm now management in a big name place.

Still far from actually rich, I never will be.. But you can start with not much and do ok.
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Old 11.08.2019, 21:32
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Still far from actually rich, I never will be.. But you can start with not much and do ok.
This. Heck, you can come from an entire country filled with poverty (which is less than two bucks a day) and still work your way against the odds. Doesn't mean it will work. It can. And then it can work again, in an entirely new country, and then again..
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This. Heck, you can come from an entire country filled with poverty (which is less than two bucks a day) and still work your way against the odds. Doesn't mean it will work. It can. And then it can work again, in an entirely new country, and then again..
You can, and many can, but most can't.
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This. Heck, you can come from an entire country filled with poverty (which is less than two bucks a day) and still work your way against the odds. Doesn't mean it will work. It can. And then it can work again, in an entirely new country, and then again..
Sounds like luck to me.
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I feel that this is the definition of "making one's own luck".
I disagree that knowing what one wants to do could ever be the definition of making one's own luck. To me, that's twisting words far away from their meaning.

One can know, clearly and certainly, what one wants to do, yet lack, in plain facts of food, clothing, shelter, mone, health and care, the means to achieve that vision.

One can go about with the resource(s) one has (in the face of poverty mainly imagination), to lessen one's suffering by metal tricks, and in the best case to prepare oneself for opportunity, should it knock.

But without some resources beyond one's own vision and knowing what one wants, no, one cannot make one's own luck.

With at least some resources available, some people can, indeed, stretch beyond the basics, especially if they can manage to gain the freedom to focus on their own goals before they become responsible for looking after the needs of others if, indeed, they ever had such a time.

But knowing what one wants, in and of itself, does not build luck.

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The guy is 76. Someone who is the past shouldn't drive the future.
Since you mentioned driving...

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I left school at 16 & worked. I always felt people who went for higher education were the lazy ones.
And I hope you said that to the surgeons who put you back together again, or did you deliberately ask for one who'd learnt his craft 'on the job'?

Your post is one of the most ridiculous and ungrateful things I've read on this forum. Thank god we have people with the wit and dedication to devote themselves to higer education.

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My grandfather, my grandmother, my parents, my OH, both of his brothers, my niece (as of last month) and several close friends. I was 7 when my parents roped me into the family business by date ordering invoices to earn my pocket money. Oh...and my dad left school at 9 but most of those went into higher education first. If you set up an accountancy firm, people expect you to be qualified. It also helps to be a qualified chemist if you set up a gold refinery. And your point is?
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I feel that this is the definition of "making one's own luck".

More important than anything else actually!
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And your point is?
People are 100% responsible for their destiny, life is about choice.
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People are 100% responsible for their destiny, life is about choice.
And the whole point of this thread: people don't often have a choice.

Choice also results in happiness: choose a different route in life; change your mind about a career or a study course; choose to live in another place/country.

Choice is everything.

Not many people have the freedom to choose.
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Life is only about choice for the selfish and egotistical.

For everyone else, life is primarily about duty.
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People are 100% responsible for their destiny, life is about choice.
Sounds like one of those hollow (but comedy gold ) motivational posters you used to see in boardrooms in the 90s...

You should start a line in tea-towels.
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People are 100% responsible for their destiny, life is about choice.
so your trolling is by choice? jeez. life well spent , I guess.
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"Mom! When I grow up, I'm gonna be a Libertarian!"

"You can choose ONE, son."
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No, I left school by choice, I knew what I wanted to do, making money was more important than a piece of paper. My brother had just got a scholarship to Cambridge.
So you've still not answered the question: why is it lazy to pursue a tertiary education? Your brother's was free. By your logic his degree is doubly worthless. Any job he got because of it, without value. Interesting.

Do you/have you employed people or are you a one man band? When looking over CVs what qualities do you deem most important? What about for your accountant, doctor, solicitors etc? Do you have nieces and nephews? Are they illiterate and innumerate? How are scientific advancements made? By who? Enquiring minds etc etc.

Do you count your own money or do you have someone for that?
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You should start a line in tea-towels.
Oh I love these. Especially how they are soooo vague. The It is never defined. Love it. It should be wearing red braces and yelling into a huge mobile phone with external aerial.
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The top is hugely overrated, I left school at 16 & worked. I always felt people who went for higher education were the lazy ones. Perhaps thatís not fair, just the ones without the imagination to leave school at 16
It does not take much imagination to give up and walk away at 16, especially if you donít have to. To have no choice at 16 due economic or other reasons but to leave and to go on and build a good life for oneís self is commendable, but to do so due to laziness and lack of ambition is not.
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