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Dave Chappelle

How could the media/critics be so far off regarding "Sticks and Stones" - Chappelle's latest special via Netflix? Critics gave it one star out of five (pretty rare) and yet audience approval rating is 99%!

My husband and I both thought it was brilliant- well written and right on point to counter the PC movement in the US at present. Just goes to show how the media are out of touch with public sentiment.

How can comedy exist if "some or all" are sensitive to content?

To top it off, Gabbard is not invited to the Democratic debate?? If anyone, she has the best chance of all of the democrats versus Trump in my view. Gabbard is a centrist and would appeal to many but I gather she is a threat to some in the Democratic party.

What a shame....
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Re: Dave Chappelle

I think it is due to critics being afraid to be seen to be anti PC in this day and age where one misjudged phrase can cost your career. A lot of the entertainment industry is left leaning and the critics are part of that, they're just all singing from the same hymn sheet.
In honesty Chappelle is just the latest comedian to be attacked by critics for their lack of sensitivity to basically everyone, whilst the audiences continue to enjoy it. Comedy has always been on the edge of insults and people laughed along whilst a few shout loudly about how their chosen topic is not to be joked about.

As far as Gabbard goes, the lack of qualifying polls is a bit sketchy, but she just doesn’t have the name recognition of the others. They need to thin out the field as well, there are still 20 candidates the majority who have never polled higher than 3%. It results in crowded debates where nobody is actually shown as they only have enough time to use bullet points and snipe at each other.
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Re: Dave Chappelle

Terry, I love David Chappelle and a ton of other (American) comedians. It helps that I get most (if not all) cultural references. I didn't have enough time for entertainment lately, promise to watch it if it is on Netflix. (we're on the same page on some things, wouldn't be surprised if I reach the same conclusions)
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Re: Dave Chappelle

The show was good, but it is nowhere near "killing them softly" or "for what is worth" .




There was something off with the way he setup the anti-pc premise which made it seem less of a standup and a bit more "we get it dave, you hate PC culture" vibe.
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I think it is due to critics being afraid to be seen to be anti PC in this day and age where one misjudged phrase can cost your career. A lot of the entertainment industry is left leaning and the critics are part of that, they're just all singing from the same hymn sheet.
In honesty Chappelle is just the latest comedian to be attacked by critics for their lack of sensitivity to basically everyone, whilst the audiences continue to enjoy it. Comedy has always been on the edge of insults and people laughed along whilst a few shout loudly about how their chosen topic is not to be joked about.

As far as Gabbard goes, the lack of qualifying polls is a bit sketchy, but she just doesn’t have the name recognition of the others. They need to thin out the field as well, there are still 20 candidates the majority who have never polled higher than 3%. It results in crowded debates where nobody is actually shown as they only have enough time to use bullet points and snipe at each other.

Just saw an interview with Tulsi Gabbard, and I had no idea that during the first debate, her campaign's advertising account at Google mysteriously crashed and was "suspended". She had been the most "googled" candidate during that first debate before the crash. Now, she is suing Google for violating her First Amendment rights among other offenses. No wonder why she lacks the name recognition of some of the others. Good all Google to the rescue and we worry about Russian interference!
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Re: Dave Chappelle

When an comedian is offending purely to be offensive it's not funny anymore.

Maybe diff cultures think diff of such, but where I come from humor is allowed to be dark and black, stand-up is allowed to be offensive, to be hard and to be cruel, but there should be some moral in the joke, or truth.

Telling people who got abused they should be happy it was by a famous person is to me just an act of somebody who wants to kicks against everything and lost feeling with a crowd who just wants a relaxed laugh.
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My husband and I both thought it was brilliant- well written and right on point to counter the PC movement in the US at present. Just goes to show how the media are out of touch with public sentiment.

How can comedy exist if "some or all" are sensitive to content?

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Frankly, I thought it was funny. Especially the poor white people jokes and the Nancy Reagan reference "Just say No"...

"What's the difference between a poor black and a poor white?" That cracked me up.

The Michael Jackson/kids jokes were meahh...a bit too non-PC for my taste, but this is the kind of jokes D.C. would make (to quote him in reference to the Smollett case). He goes a little further than you would expect, true, but he delivers the joke. It was interesting to watch how he constructed the whole "moral of the story" on guns and mass shooting in schools, starting from the M.J. episode. It all came to a full circle. He repeated these are just jokes.

You're right. The crowd seemed to have a totally different opinion than the critics. Btw, you'll rarely have the critics and the large audience on the same page.

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Re: Dave Chappelle

I loved how he called Jessie Smollet..."Juicy Smollet"... A reference to OJ Simpson who was called "The Juice" back in his NFL days... I personally thought Dave Chappelle nailed it on many levels. Was back in the US this summer and cannot believe how PC the US has become! How can any comic survive in this sensitive, PC, "snowflake" environment?

The fact that 99% loved his broadcast via "Rotten Tomatoes" compared to 1 star given via the critics/media (very rare to get one star btw) speaks volumes as to how far off the media/critics are regarding popular views.

Maybe this is why Hillary did not win?
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Re: Dave Chappelle

Dave Chappelle has been funny for a long time, his old school jokes were always funny. Everyone in the northern part of the USA is concerned about make-believe (PC-Political Correctness) offending someone else now-a-days (SnowFlakes). Get over it.. lived in the same area as Dave for many years, no-one in that part of the country cares and no-one noticed he lives on a farm in he middle of no-where. Spent the last couple months in the southern part of the US and certainly no cares about the political correctness there. Take a trip down to Italy and stay at a local's place and then it will become clear.

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Dave Chappelle has been funny for a long time, his old school jokes were always funny. Everyone in the northern part of the USA is concerned about make-believe (PC-Political Correctness) offending someone else now-a-days (SnowFlakes). Get over it.. lived in the same area as Dave for many years, no-one in that part of the country cares and no-one noticed he lives on a farm in he middle of no-where. Spent the last couple months in the southern part of the US and certainly no cares about the political correctness there. Take a trip down to Italy and stay at a local's place and then it will become clear.


I think most people genuinely care of not offending other people's feelings, and not because those PC policies, but because this is what normal, well-rounded human beings do. The whole PC culture is a bit exaggerated today, surely, and at the same time you have area/places/regions where it didn't touch a soul. Whether it's a good thing or not, that's a discussion to be conducted with people who're able to see beneath the surface.

@Terry,

There are many factors that contributed to Hilarry's loss in the presidential elections. The perceived censorship and PC culture going mad is only one of them. I wish we could have a simple answer. You're right, David Chappelle nailed it on many levels.
What we shouldn't forget though, is that comedians/actors/artists have a whole artistic arsenal to tackle social and cultural issues or sensitivities that are not always acceptable in every context and at any given time. Vive la comedie!
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Re: Dave Chappelle

I‘ve always found Dave Chapelle funny. I‘m always amused at all the anti PC sentiment - it reeks of hypocrisy. Still can be funny.

As for Gabbard, the Democratic Establishment doesn‘t trust her - they seem to think she might be better situated as a Republican.
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Re: Dave Chappelle

Justice for Juicy!!!!


I was dying. :ROLF:

Not only did he just pull Juicys black card but he traded him to France as well.
Brilliant.


Re Gabbard,
She is anti war thus anti establishment, not what the big bosses want.
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Dave Chappelle has been funny for a long time, his old school jokes were always funny. Everyone in the northern part of the USA is concerned about make-believe (PC-Political Correctness) offending someone else now-a-days (SnowFlakes). Get over it.. lived in the same area as Dave for many years, no-one in that part of the country cares and no-one noticed he lives on a farm in he middle of no-where. Spent the last couple months in the southern part of the US and certainly no cares about the political correctness there. Take a trip down to Italy and stay at a local's place and then it will become clear.
I don't think it is just those in the northern part of the US who are concerned with PC. I think it is pervasive in Ca and in other states. I also believe universities/colleges are largely to blame for this "snowflake" mentality. The worst offenders are the small liberal arts colleges (Claremont McKenna, Oberlin, Kenyon...I could go on.). My daughter attended one of the above and let's just say it did her no favors - in terms of preparing her for the "real" world.
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Re: Dave Chappelle

Most comedy is based on cruelty. We laugh at what we're afraid of. I thought his show was spot on.. he was joking. If we ever get to the point where his style of 'joking' is deemed 'too much'... we're all in deep trouble.
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Most comedy is based on cruelty. We laugh at what we're afraid of. I thought his show was spot on.. he was joking. If we ever get to the point where his style of 'joking' is deemed 'too much'... we're all in deep trouble.


I don't think it was too much. I think it was too much of the same thing.


The MJ joke have had a permutation about him being a good host before, the delivery around this time seemed off somehow. 3/5 for me




Bill Burr's paper tiger first 10 mins seem so much better.


edit : Tulsi Gabbard messed up on that Rave Dubin interview.

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