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Old 22.09.2019, 19:15
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It seems like every week that some notable or other is having his youthful (or not so youthful) follies exposed. If it's not wearing blackface to parties, it's dressing as a nazi, sexual abuse or unhygienic practices with farmyard animals.

Now, this is the thing I don't get. I don't think I'm particularly special. Like most of us, I had a blast in my late teens and twenties. To be honest, I'm glad it all happened long before cellphone cameras and facebook. But never - not once - was I ever even tempted to rape a sleeping woman, or dress up as a "south sea savage", or do things to a pig's head. It just wasn't how our crowd - otherwise as degenerate and wasted as any other - operated.

So what is it with the likes of Kavanagh and Trudeau? What do they all have in common?

The only thing I can think of is privilege: because of who they are, because of what they are, they didn't have to worry about the consequences of their actions... at least, not until the chickens came home to roost in a new age of (not entirely unwelcome) social media-fuelled puritanism.

So what do you think? Why are so many of our "betters" such revolting human beings?
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Old 22.09.2019, 19:20
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I think they don't consider it really as revolting or such, they are just to far apart from everyday live and average society to realise that what they do is not socially acceptable.
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Old 22.09.2019, 19:42
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I've counted my privileges. White. Middle class. Rich. From Yorkshire. Male. Ginger.

That's a 6 - I'm perfect.
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Old 22.09.2019, 20:08
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I've counted my privileges. White. Middle class. Rich. From Yorkshire. Male. Ginger.
White. Working class. Not rich. From Lancashire. Female. L'Oreal Excellence 8.3.

What's my score?
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Old 22.09.2019, 20:11
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White. Working class. Not rich. From Lancashire. Female. L'Oreal Excellence 8.3.

What's my score?
Well if coming from Yorkshire gets a positive point, you must get triple coming from Lancashire.
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Old 22.09.2019, 20:27
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Well, interesting thread.

I, for one, can think of media and digital era, is here to expose the things like e.g. xenophobic attacks on foreigners in SA, well these anyway used to take place on regular basis in the past and nobody was caring the least. There was no WhatsApp, FB, Instagram, Twitter and what’s nots tools to manipulate pictures from different places in Africa and make us believe it is what it is and escalate it globally. You gotta check all facts first before you will start drawing your own conclusions. Populism and scaremongering working at it’s best. Sure, there are underlying problems in every society but actions speak louder than pictures!

Just an example of fake Mugabe’s coffin that circulated on media.
https://factcheck.afp.com/these-are-...billion-casket

Another example, latest strain of xenophobic attacks taking place in South Africa:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-af...-stoke-tension

Basically, there is so much bullshit surrounding the media and you have to decide for yourself what to believe in ...
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Old 22.09.2019, 20:30
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Youngest of nine from a very hard working Irish Catholic family and yet, we lived in a so called "nice" neighborhood. My parents put everything into education; that said, we were the ones who did the menial jobs in the neighborhood that none of the other kids had an interest in: newspaper delivery, babysitter, snow shoveler you name it and it was passed down from sibling to sibling. My family held the monopoly on the part time jobs in the area.

My father's mantra, was the that the other "spoiled" children whose families we serviced would be disadvantaged in the "real" world. But that was not always the case as I reminded my father years later.

That said, my parents' sacrifice for education benefitted all of us - as did my Dad and Mom's hard work ethic. My Mom would often say to us, "Life isn't fair; so how are you going to make a difference?" Wise words...
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Old 23.09.2019, 20:15
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Well if coming from Yorkshire gets a positive point, you must get triple coming from Lancashire.
Enter Slammer from Blackburn, a place so far down the foodchain that even the pound shops are closing.
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White. Working class. Not rich. From Lancashire. Female. L'Oreal Excellence 8.3.

What's my score?
As a foreign woman in Switzerland, despite of whiteness/blondness or education, you are scoring very low (probably some nationalities worse than others) I had a very interesting discussion with a lady professor of Sociology at Zurich University. We're really at the base of the pyramid, even though in average we're better educated than the locals. You are not as privileged as one might think. Not here, anyway.
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(probably some nationalities worse than others)
Absolutely. Anglo privilege is definitely a thing, but you'll be hard pressed to get many Anglos to admit that they enjoy advantages and "slack-cutting" routinely denied to others.

A fish in water has no idea it's wet.
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Old 23.09.2019, 09:00
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I had a very interesting discussion with a lady professor of Sociology at Zurich University. We're really at the base of the pyramid, even though in average we're better educated than the locals. You are not as privileged as one might think. Not here, anyway.
Absolutely agree with you.
Where I see any of my own privilege coming from is I had two parents in the home, I have a varied extended family, I had strong role models in my paternal grandfather and maternal grandmother, and I had multiple generations of exceptionally strong female role models. But my biggest privilege was in having totally alpha male father who was adamant that women were as good as, if not better than, most men. I was constantly told to stand on my own two feet, work it out for myself, think for myself and to speak my mind. That's one hell of a building block that a lot of people don't get. I'm reminded of "it takes a village to raise a child".
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Old 22.09.2019, 19:37
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So what is it with the likes of Kavanagh and Trudeau? What do they all have in common?
Behaving like Jeremy Kyle guests when they have the money and knowledge to know better, but that little bit of depravity still gets the better of them. The thing is that because they have a public profile you get to hear about them and not the guy who did x, y and z for four cans of Stella.
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Old 22.09.2019, 20:02
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So what do you think? Why are so many of our "betters" such revolting human beings?
Because they got caught at it.

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Why are so many of our "betters" such revolting human beings?
Social media will reveal all the hypocrites. It shows how high the standard is to be truly morally superior.
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So what do you think? Why are so many of our "betters" such revolting human beings?
I believe nobody digs in the past of ordinary people, that's why our "betters" look so bad in comparison. I'm sure there are also non-famous adults with shameful events in their youths.
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I believe nobody digs in the past of ordinary people, that's why our "betters" look so bad in comparison. I'm sure there are also non-famous adults with shameful events in their youths.
Yeah, but that's the thing. I'm a no-name wanker from the Midlands. My mates were mostly no-name wankers from the Midlands and North. We got up to all sorts of mayhem, but we never saw the need to molest young women or wear racist outfits to parties - and I don't think there was anything particularly special or virtuous about our crowd.

But these high court judges and prime ministers... it's a whole different level of "partying"...
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Old 22.09.2019, 21:25
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I don't think it is just about the public popularity of scandal about prominent people.

DB's point was not only about being caught and hitting the social media, but that back then, and also now, his kind of blast just never went/goes as far into the kind of degenerate behaviour that is told of some of the current celebreties.
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Yep. Exactly what I wrote in the part of my post you did not quote.
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Old 22.09.2019, 21:29
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Curley, I'm not sure I understand. I'm sorry, I guess I must be missing something.
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Old 22.09.2019, 21:36
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Curley, I'm not sure I understand. I'm sorry, I guess I must be missing something.
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Maybe priviliged kids are bored and our wild was not wild enough for them?......
Anyway, no big deal
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Yeah, but that's the thing. I'm a no-name wanker from the Midlands. My mates were mostly no-name wankers from the Midlands and North. We got up to all sorts of mayhem, but we never saw the need to molest young women or wear racist outfits to parties - and I don't think there was anything particularly special or virtuous about our crowd.

But these high court judges and prime ministers... it's a whole different level of "partying"...
Because they don't expect to get caught, or "told" on... bribery, etc. What happens behind extensive private doors etc.

News of anything dodgy done by me or my mates would have got home before I did.
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