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39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

Migrants have been out of the news for a while now, but we have yet another tragedy this morning where 39 people were found dead in a lorry on an industrial estate in Gray's, Essex. Driver has been arrested on murder charges.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50150070
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Old 23.10.2019, 16:21
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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

Just wait after Brexit when the French will stop keeping anyone in Calais and the caravans will arrive one after another on UK shores. I heard the costguard has at least 10! vessels to safeguard the shores, than god they aren't that big.
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Old 23.10.2019, 16:26
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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

Time to blow up the chunnel!

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Just wait after Brexit when the French will stop keeping anyone in Calais and the caravans will arrive one after another on UK shores. I heard the costguard has at least 10! vessels to safeguard the shores, than god they aren't that big.
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Time to blow up the chunnel!

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Didn't come in from France:

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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

Well, at least not through Calais/Dunkirk.

"Seamus Leheny, Northern Ireland policy manager for the Freight Transport Association, said if the lorry had come from Bulgaria, getting into Britain via Holyhead was an "unorthodox route".

He added with reports of increased security checks at Dover and Calais "it might be seen as an easier way to get in by going from Cherbourg or Roscoff, over to Rosslare, then up the road to Dublin"."
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Had they come through the Channel tunnel, they might still be alive.
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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

The sheer scale of the loss of life reminds me of the Grenfell disaster. I kid myself that such things can't happen in the UK because it is so well-regulated . I've been away for long enough to have lost the rose-tinted glasses and obviously nowhere is perfect - but this beggars belief.
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The sheer scale of the loss of life reminds me of the Grenfell disaster. I kid myself that such things can't happen in the UK because it is so well-regulated . I've been away for long enough to have lost the rose-tinted glasses and obviously nowhere is perfect - but this beggars belief.
Since there is no border between Ireland and Northern Ireland any checks should have been made at the port of departure on the continent or at the port of arrival in Ireland. Someone has dropped the ball. (And good luck for a solution to the Irish problem)

And now this 'unlikely' route is now known I don't expect this will be the last.
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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

The Taliban used to put their prisoners and indesirables in locked shipping containers in the desert. 8 hours and all were cooked.
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Since there is no boarder between Ireland and Northern Ireland any checks should have been made at the port of departure or at the port of arrival. Someone has dropped the ball.
Truth is that only a very small percentage of containers gets a check, majority pass harbours/borders without any interference. There are simply to many containers to check them all unless we give customs/border patrol a huge truckload of extra people.
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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

I don't know if you have seen Criminal: UK on netflix but the 3rd episode is exactly about an incident like this. Except fortunately with a happy ending in the show. It's just a shocking tragedy.
I still can't get over those scenes from the news over the years of the desperation of those at the calais border trying so hard to come in illegally. I hope they find those responsible but sadly they may not and only the driver is made the scapegoat.
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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

According to the Bulgarian authorities the truck was registered there in 2017 by an Irish woman. It left the country and hadnít been back since.

Methinks the plot thickens.
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According to the Bulgarian authorities the truck was registered there in 2017 by an Irish woman. It left the country and hadnít been back since.

Methinks the plot thickens.
The UK police is already ahead of BJ re Brexit. The truck came from Belgium, not Bulgaria, but hey! they both start with a B, they are both in EU, so it's their fault!

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-...gbr/index.html
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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

If they are able to get the driver to talk we may see numerous arrests. It will depend on whether he his more afraid of facing a murder charge, or the gang responsible. Let us hope he's still got some decency left in him.
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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

Last report I heard was that this lorry and three others are owned by a Irish woman who registered them in Bulgaria. The Bulgarian authorities state that the lorry was registered in 2017 then taken out of the country and never returned.
This is as fishy as they come.
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If they are able to get the driver to talk we may see numerous arrests. It will depend on whether he his more afraid of facing a murder charge, or the gang responsible. Let us hope he's still got some decency left in him.
Donít think a murder charge would get a conviction. Manslaughter perhaps, but not Murder. But he will be getting multiple years behind bars ...
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Re: 39 people found dead in lorry in Essex

Unbelievable.

TalkRadio did an interview with an Irish HGV driver who is very familiar with the smuggling and tricks used and the gangs.

They made a big fuss of saying they had to make 'Jim' anonymous because of repercussions, and yet played the interview verbatim.

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I've tried to imagine that and my brain gives up.
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Donít think a murder charge would get a conviction. Manslaughter perhaps, but not Murder. But he will be getting multiple years behind bars ...
I agree, though at the moment they're charging him with murder according to the news.
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I agree, though at the moment they're charging him with murder according to the news.

Questioned, not charged.
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