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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

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Here's the big question for the Scottish Remain ( in the EU ) but leave the UK electorate.

BBC News - Could Scotland leave the UK and stay in the EU ?
I think even the most optimistic pro-indy voter can see there is no way to remain in the EU now, but only the option to rejoin a few years down the line (if that's the preferred option - as others have said, other partnerships may be more suitable).
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Old 18.12.2019, 12:49
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I'll be straight in the queue for that passport with my nan's birth certificate in my hand.
Us too. Only i just need the marriage cert. Everyone else qualifies.
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

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I'll be straight in the queue for that passport with my nan's birth certificate in my hand.
For now we don't even know how Sturgeon wants to define Scottishness or who gets to qualify for a Scottish passport.
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Old 18.12.2019, 13:20
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For now we don't even know how Sturgeon wants to define Scottishness or who gets to qualify for a Scottish passport.
We do have a ready set of criteria for "Scottishness", which I suppose will give or take be the ones used.
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

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There will be no Indy Ref 2. This is Nicola Sturgeon playing politics in preparation for the next Scottish elections in 18 months time. SNP have not done a good job of running Scottish services and finances plus Alex Salmond’s retrial is coming up. Nicola Sturgeon needs something to deflect attention away from the SNP, so she’ll keep banging this drum in full knowledge it’ll never happen.
We all know the SNP has done very well in terms of winning seats in the FPTP system. But does anybody have the figure how many people actually voted for them percentagewise?
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Old 18.12.2019, 13:24
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

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What are those criteria?

If it's going to be, having some distant Scottish ancestor, you could get half the USA and much of Canada, New Zealand etc qualifying, but many people who were born and lived all their lives in Scotland not qualifying.
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What are those criteria?

If it's going to be, having some distant Scottish ancestor, you could get half the USA and much of Canada, New Zealand etc qualifying, but many people who were born and lived all their lives in Scotland not qualifying.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sco...-1-3209022/amp

This is what was proposed last time around
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What are those criteria?
We already have independent sports teams with nationality criteria. They are based on location of your/your parents'/your grandparents' birth and of course we also allow for naturalization.

It's a non-issue.
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Old 18.12.2019, 14:23
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

I said it before and I will say it again: How about a simple one for one land swap between CH and Scotland? The Swiss would finally have nothing but ocean around them and can be as independent as they want while the Scots could live in the middle of Europe...
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I said it before and I will say it again: How about a simple one for one land swap between CH and Scotland? The Swiss would finally have nothing but ocean around them and can be as independent as they want while the Scots could live in the middle of Europe...
Nothing but ocean? The southern border looks a little too solid, I would have thought.
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Old 18.12.2019, 15:11
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Nothing but ocean? The southern border looks a little too solid, I would have thought.
The Ticinese get to live close to that southern border. The polenta of Dumfries gets to be world famous.

The rest of the Swiss get to have ocean.
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Nothing but ocean? The southern border looks a little too solid, I would have thought.
Wait till Brexit and it will look less solid...
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Old 18.12.2019, 16:31
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For now we don't even know how Sturgeon wants to define Scottishness or who gets to qualify for a Scottish passport.
I don't see that being a problem at all, after all we're waiting to see what BREXIT is supposed to mean.... it is the established way Brits vote in referenda after all.
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

Scotland's First Minister - Nicola Sturgeon is calling on the British Government today - to allow a
transfer of powers to Holyrood, for another Referendum to take place on Scottish Independence.

BBC News - Scottish Independence: Sturgeon requests powers for referendum
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Old 19.12.2019, 22:23
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

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Old 19.12.2019, 23:38
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Eats fried Mars bars?
Let me tell you ... A deep fried pizza is a million times better..
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Old 20.12.2019, 01:16
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They could, but EFTA has already publicly rejected UK, they could do the same for Scotland at their will. You can't just decide to join. Anyway, SNP always refers to EU, not EFTA.
No so, Norway said they would object to the UK joining on the basis that it would dominate the group, this not the case with Scotland. So it reminds to be seen.

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Put the problem in not having a written constitution is that everything is based on precedent and the only precedent you have is a unilateral decision! The union of Scotland with England and the Union of Great Britain with Ireland required acts beginning passes in both parliaments. But the Irish parliament from 1936 onwards simply abolished it and the Ireland Act passed by the UK parliament in 1949 accepted the reality of that decision.

The UK is already on life support and will be dissolved by a border poll in NI. It reminds to be seen what happens to Great Britain.

I expect how economy fairs over the next five years will be the deciding factor in the end.
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Let me tell you ... A deep fried pizza is a million times better..
Deep fried Curlywurlies is where it’s at.
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

Meanwhile here's the view from north of the Border.


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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

EFTA membership would also avoid the Common Fisheries Policy, which would prevent a revolt against independence by the Scottish fishermen, especially in NE Scotland.

Stephen Kinnock, a Labour MP, heavily promoted EFTA as a Brexit outcome over a year ago. He visited the fishing ports in NE Scotland, where he found that, once he had explained it to them, there was growing interest in EFTA among the fishermen he spoke to.

They would get the Single Market access to sell their fish, and labour for the processing factories, but without being bound by the CFP, which they have hated for years.
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