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SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

Nicola Sturgeon sets out the SNP's case for seeking a Section 30 from the British Government to hold a Second
Referendum on Scottish Independence.

BBC News - Nicola Sturgeon urges parties to unite around IndyRef2

Scots Parliament TV - First Ministers statement on the outcome of UK Election
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

She's going to get obliterated if she keeps this up.
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Old 17.12.2019, 21:44
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

Boris told her go pound sand. But I am in John O Groats just now and the Aborigines are saying to bring it on.
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

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She's going to get obliterated if she keeps this up.
Obviously, the so-called Great Britain will get obliterated. She got 48 of the 59 seats last week precisely to push this ahead as the Scots were lied to last time that there will be no Brexit. Time to face the music
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

Yeah lol exactly, they'll destroy their relationship with their #1 BY FAR biggest trading partner.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/s...-be-rest-of-uk

Never going to happen. They have them by the balls, they'll take Brexit and be happy about it too.
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

There will be no Indy Ref 2. This is Nicola Sturgeon playing politics in preparation for the next Scottish elections in 18 months time. SNP have not done a good job of running Scottish services and finances plus Alex Salmond’s retrial is coming up. Nicola Sturgeon needs something to deflect attention away from the SNP, so she’ll keep banging this drum in full knowledge it’ll never happen.
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

Imagine the scenario that the Scots become independent while the UK withdraws Brexit.
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Yeah lol exactly, they'll destroy their relationship with their #1 BY FAR biggest trading partner.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/s...-be-rest-of-uk

Never going to happen. They have them by the balls, they'll take Brexit and be happy about it too.
They will apply for EU membership and will be accepted in a heartbeat, then the EU will be the by far largest customer, don‘t forget who has the oil infrastructure.
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Imagine the scenario that the Scots become independent while the UK withdraws Brexit.
Then it‘s Edinburgh asking London, „who‘s bitch?“
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Old 17.12.2019, 23:06
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They will apply for EU membership and will be accepted in a heartbeat
It can't happen.
First of all Scotland has to be independent, and this would take years even if people voted for separation tomorrow.
Second, there's a process to join the EU, and the international meetings alone can make it last a few more years.
Example: Scotland is part of the EU now, but would it respect Maastricht parameters once it becomes independent? Would it be willing and also able to join the Eurozone? Schengen?

Anyway, if I were Scottish I would be "historically disappointed" of having voted for independence before Brexit. People voted to remain joined to a state that was soon going to be quite different. It's democracy, I know...
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It can't happen.
First of all Scotland has to be independent, and this would take years even if people voted for separation tomorrow.
Second, there's a process to join the EU, and the international meetings alone can make it last a few more years.
Example: Scotland is part of the EU now, but would it respect Maastricht parameters once it becomes independent? Would it be willing and also able to join the Eurozone? Schengen?
I don't see any fundamental reason why Scotland shouldn't join the Eurozone or Schengen. But I think when the reality of what that means dawns on Scottish voters, they will waver. It would require a hard border to England with all the consequences on trade and FMOP. In fact all the antî-Brexit arguments over again but a magnitude stronger. It's going to be a hard sell for Sturgeon to tell Scots, you know Brexit was very bad but doing the same thing squared is very good.
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Imagine the scenario that the Scots become independent while the UK withdraws Brexit.
I'll be straight in the queue for that passport with my nan's birth certificate in my hand.
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Old 18.12.2019, 02:48
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Yeah lol exactly, they'll destroy their relationship with their #1 BY FAR biggest trading partner.
But it is OK to walk away from every trade agreement you have, give up preferential access to one of the richest trading blocks in the world, give up on preferential access for service, trade on WTO terms with zero tariffs on imports....

It cannot be a problem for one and not the other...
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They will apply for EU membership and will be accepted in a heartbeat, then the EU will be the by far largest customer, don‘t forget who has the oil infrastructure.
They could always go the EFTA/EEA route as well, as could Wales as well for that matter. Two small countries joining a community of small nations is not such an issue.
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It can't happen.
First of all Scotland has to be independent, and this would take years even if people voted for separation tomorrow.
Second, there's a process to join the EU, and the international meetings alone can make it last a few more years.
Example: Scotland is part of the EU now, but would it respect Maastricht parameters once it becomes independent? Would it be willing and also able to join the Eurozone? Schengen?

Anyway, if I were Scottish I would be "historically disappointed" of having voted for independence before Brexit. People voted to remain joined to a state that was soon going to be quite different. It's democracy, I know...
You forget they could join EFTA/EEA and get most of what they want...
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She's going to get obliterated if she keeps this up.
why?
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You forget they could join EFTA/EEA and get most of what they want...
They could, but EFTA has already publicly rejected UK, they could do the same for Scotland at their will. You can't just decide to join. Anyway, SNP always refers to EU, not EFTA.

My point was, Scotland could do many things, but not too fast and not unilaterally. And as I like the idea of Scotland being part of the EU, I don't think SNP forces alone are enough to make it happen.
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

I really think people would whole heatedly reject independence vote if it was presented anything like last time.

Just like brexit, people were asked to vote on an unknown outcome, without having any actual facts. Those facts are all still missing.

Currency, ownership of oil, military bases, borders, nuclear, trade, EU membership.. Nothing was answered last time, still no answers now..

Unless all of these are known people are just being asked to vote for something symbolic.
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I really think people would whole heatedly reject independence vote if it was presented anything like last time.

Just like brexit, people were asked to vote on an unknown outcome, without having any actual facts. Those facts are all still missing.
Remaining part of the EU was a pretty big fact that has since been resolved. Better Together campaigned on it being the only way to keep Scotland in the EU - well, hopefully that whopper will come home to roost.
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Re: SCOTEXIT - The SNP takes Scotland down the road to IndyRef2

Here's the big question for the Scottish Remain ( in the EU ) but leave the UK electorate.

BBC News - Could Scotland leave the UK and stay in the EU ?

Love the bit where it says:
In practice,Scotland would not become independent the day after a Yes vote - there would have to
be a period of transition.
H'm no a period of adjustment would be welcomed by those English brides who still want to get
married at Gretna Green, no doubt. Lol.

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