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15 years jail for burning a flag

The insanity of the USA!



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It was far more than just burning a flag.

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Was it? Then what was it? If he was the son of a diplomat then they would have given him a pat on the head and told him to run out and play. Hypocrisy of the USA justice. Guess they were wanting to fill their" jail quota"
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Was it? Then what was it?
Read the whole article, not just the headline.

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I read the whole article. You think that's a reason to sentence someone to 15 years!!! It's a system of violence by the US Justice. Not surprised there are so many crimes of aggression in USA!
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I read the whole article. You think that's a reason to sentence someone to 15 years!!! It's a system of violence by the US Justice. Not surprised there are so many crimes of aggression in USA!

So which bit of this you got problems with today ?



"He was found guilty last month of hate crime harassment, reckless use of fire and being a habitual offender."
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"He was found guilty last month of hate crime harassment, reckless use of fire and being a habitual offender."
So fing what. You think that justifies 15 years. Get a life!
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Re: 15 years jail for burning a flag

He should have burned a red, white an blue one while he was at it.
You may as well get hung for a sheep as for a lamb.
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You may as well get hung for a sheep as for a lamb.
Yes the US Justice is a joke. It's not what you did but who you are in USA.The hypocrisy!
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Yes the US Justice is a joke. It's not what you did but who you are in USA.The hypocrisy!
Do you have an counter-example where someone well connected committed a similar set of offences and got away with a lesser penalty?
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Re: 15 years jail for burning a flag

Given your posting history and suspensions no one should be surprised that you see a blatant racist act as just burning a flag....
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So fing what. You think that justifies 15 years. Get a life!

Try "Habitual offender" obviously not at his first attempts, nor second or third by the sounds of it.
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Given your posting history and suspensions no one should be surprised that you see a blatant racist act as just burning a flag....
The gay's are race now?
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Yes the US Justice is a joke. It's not what you did but who you are in USA.The hypocrisy!
Remind me again, how did a rich, famous, white dude just get impeached?

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He should have burned a red, white an blue one while he was at it.
Alas, that's legal to do, it's freedom of speech!

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The gay's are race now?
Apostrophe plus s does not indicate a plural. You just wrote "The gay is are race now?". It's a perfect match to every previous post you made in this thread.

The man in question is a repeat offender, made threats in a strip club, and when kicked out threatened to burn down the place. He then stole property, and menacingly burn it.

More relevant information in Snopes:

Ames, Iowa, police arrested Martinez in the early hours of June 11, after police said he had caused a disturbance at a local bar and threatened to burn down the establishment, before returning with an LGBT rainbow flag he stole from the Ames United Church of Christ, and setting fire to it outside the bar. Martinez admitted to his crimes in an interview with KCCI, saying he was motivated by an antipathy towards homosexuality and that he had “burned down their pride, plain and simple.”

Despite his on-screen confession, Martinez pleaded not guilty to three charges, the Story County Attorney’s Office told Snopes: Third-degree arson, an aggravated misdemeanor which typically carries a maximum sentence of two years in prison; third-degree harassment, a simple misdemeanor; and reckless use of fire or explosives, a serious misdemeanor that typically carries a maximum prison sentence of one year.

On Nov. 6, a jury in Story County convicted Martinez on all three charges. The County Attorney’s Office confirmed to Snopes that Martinez was given a 30-day prison sentence for the charge of third-degree harassment, and a one-year sentence for reckless use of fire or explosives.

In the normal course of events, a conviction for third-degree arson would yield a maximum sentence of two years in prison. However, because the flag burned by Martinez was an LGBT symbol, and because Martinez himself said this was his motivation for setting fire to it, prosecutors added a hate crime enhancement to the arson charge.

Iowa law requires that certain offenses, if prosecuted as a hate crime, must be “classified and punished as an offense one degree higher than the underlying offense.” Thus, Martinez’s conviction for third-degree arson was elevated from an aggravated misdemeanor to a Class D felony.

In Iowa, a Class D felony is typically subject to a maximum prison sentence of five years. However, Martinez had two previous felonies, details of which were not immediately available. Iowa law designates as an “habitual offender” anyone “convicted of a class ‘C’ or a class ‘D’ felony, who has twice before been convicted of any felony in a court of this or any other state, or of the United States.” Therefore, Martinez was sentenced as an habitual offender.

Iowa law states that the maximum sentence for an habitual offender is 15 years in prison. In this case, prosecutors recommended that maximum sentence, on the basis that they believed Martinez to be “very dangerous” and because of his lack of remorse. Story County Attorney Jessica Reynolds told KCCI that Martinez “stated that there was nothing the judge could do to stop him from continuing this behavior, and that he would continue to do this, no matter what.”
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Alas, that's legal to do, it's freedom of speech!

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Yes right. Even when its done from hate for USA! They will cheer you on!
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Trump.

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Apostrophe plus s does not indicate a plural. You just wrote "The gay is are race now?". It's a perfect match to every previous post you made in this thread.

The man in question is a repeat offender, made threats in a strip club, and when kicked out threatened to burn down the place. He then stole property, and menacingly burn it.

More relevant information in Snopes:

Ames, Iowa, police arrested Martinez in the early hours of June 11, after police said he had caused a disturbance at a local bar and threatened to burn down the establishment, before returning with an LGBT rainbow flag he stole from the Ames United Church of Christ, and setting fire to it outside the bar. Martinez admitted to his crimes in an interview with KCCI, saying he was motivated by an antipathy towards homosexuality and that he had “burned down their pride, plain and simple.”

Despite his on-screen confession, Martinez pleaded not guilty to three charges, the Story County Attorney’s Office told Snopes: Third-degree arson, an aggravated misdemeanor which typically carries a maximum sentence of two years in prison; third-degree harassment, a simple misdemeanor; and reckless use of fire or explosives, a serious misdemeanor that typically carries a maximum prison sentence of one year.

On Nov. 6, a jury in Story County convicted Martinez on all three charges. The County Attorney’s Office confirmed to Snopes that Martinez was given a 30-day prison sentence for the charge of third-degree harassment, and a one-year sentence for reckless use of fire or explosives.

In the normal course of events, a conviction for third-degree arson would yield a maximum sentence of two years in prison. However, because the flag burned by Martinez was an LGBT symbol, and because Martinez himself said this was his motivation for setting fire to it, prosecutors added a hate crime enhancement to the arson charge.

Iowa law requires that certain offenses, if prosecuted as a hate crime, must be “classified and punished as an offense one degree higher than the underlying offense.” Thus, Martinez’s conviction for third-degree arson was elevated from an aggravated misdemeanor to a Class D felony.

In Iowa, a Class D felony is typically subject to a maximum prison sentence of five years. However, Martinez had two previous felonies, details of which were not immediately available. Iowa law designates as an “habitual offender” anyone “convicted of a class ‘C’ or a class ‘D’ felony, who has twice before been convicted of any felony in a court of this or any other state, or of the United States.” Therefore, Martinez was sentenced as an habitual offender.

Iowa law states that the maximum sentence for an habitual offender is 15 years in prison. In this case, prosecutors recommended that maximum sentence, on the basis that they believed Martinez to be “very dangerous” and because of his lack of remorse. Story County Attorney Jessica Reynolds told KCCI that Martinez “stated that there was nothing the judge could do to stop him from continuing this behavior, and that he would continue to do this, no matter what.”
So did the guy have a lawyer? If he did he should be run out of the state. Poor guy,no money. Perfect victim. The private jails need to fill their pockets-and 15 years-good for the budget. USA dont talk about the crimes of China and the Muslims!! These judges give out 15 year sentences like they were parking infringements-but not to their own sons and daughters!
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/man-sen...an-lgbtq-flag/


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