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Old 09.01.2020, 21:07
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Who needs kings and queens?They are basically parasites on the system
No, but Jim said they're the same as presidents!
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Love live the Australian Republic-give the queen the BOOT!


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Old 09.01.2020, 23:30
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No, but Jim said they're the same as presidents!
I said in countries other than the UK, where the have actual written constitutions.
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The UK monarchy do a LOT of PR work for the UK and draw in a lot of tourist revenue, they are basically now one of the UK's (only?) major cultural USP's. To say that they are a parasites who contribute nothing in return is just patently false.

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Old 10.01.2020, 08:32
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I can foresee the headlines now when the queen dies:

Exit!

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Old 10.01.2020, 09:42
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The UK monarchy do a LOT of PR work for the UK and draw in a lot of tourist revenue, they are basically now one of the UK's (only?) major cultural USP's. To say that they are a parasites who contribute nothing in return is just patently false.
Any data to back this claim? It's an interesting claim you make, but a quick google search from reputable sources is actually pointing in the opposite direction. Moreover, people visiting the royal palaces will continue to visit them long after the royalty is gone. Just look at any republic today that had royals before: castles and palaces still draw crowds, this won't stop.
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Any data to back this claim? It's an interesting claim you make, but a quick google search from reputable sources is actually pointing in the opposite direction. Moreover, people visiting the royal palaces will continue to visit them long after the royalty is gone. Just look at any republic today that had royals before: castles and palaces still draw crowds, this won't stop.
Like France? Austria? etc. etc.
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Old 10.01.2020, 09:51
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Moreover, people visiting the royal palaces will continue to visit them long after the royalty is gone.

Itīs not about the people visiting royal places but rather royals visiting places.
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Old 10.01.2020, 09:55
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Itīs not about the people visiting royal places but rather royals visiting places.
This is a net cost, not a net revenue, Chuff was talking about how it's financially beneficial for the UK to have the royals still around, but his claim doesn't seem to be backed up by any serious analysis I was able to find.
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Any data to back this claim? It's an interesting claim you make, but a quick google search from reputable sources is actually pointing in the opposite direction. Moreover, people visiting the royal palaces will continue to visit them long after the royalty is gone. Just look at any republic today that had royals before: castles and palaces still draw crowds, this won't stop.
Oh come on, seriously? Any data? The UK royal family is the most famous, iconic and profitable monarchy in the world and synonymous with the United Kingdom and especially London.

No definitive figures have been fully released, but it is clear if you Google research into this that the royals do bring a lot to the UK economy to mitigate what they cost. https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/they-c...-in-much-more/

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Old 10.01.2020, 10:03
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Oh come on. seriously? Any data?
The "analysis" you quote makes the same logical fallacy assumption that tourism revenue will somehow dry out if the royalty goes away. This is, of course, complete non-sense as proven by France, Spain, Italy, Austria, etc. which draw huge tourism crowds to the former royal palaces.
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The "analysis" you quote makes the same logical fallacy assumption that tourism revenue will somehow dry out if the royalty goes away. This is, of course, complete non-sense as proven by France, Spain, Italy, Austria, etc. which draw huge tourism crowds to the former royal palaces.
The analysis was just randomly chosen for the figures, not theoretical conclusions on what will happen to tourism if the royal family no longer exist. Focus on what we are actually discussing, gaburko, if you are able. That was if there is any data to support that the roylas contribute to the economy. Which they do.
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The "analysis" you quote makes the same logical fallacy assumption that tourism revenue will somehow dry out if the royalty goes away. This is, of course, complete non-sense as proven by France, Spain, Italy, Austria, etc. which draw huge tourism crowds to the former royal palaces.
We could also use some nice royals for the PR (much better than our current governments), the problem with the British royals is they started to be like anyone else - Andrew with his crap, divorces, extra-marital affairs, scandals etc.
If they continue down that line UK will be better off without them.
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The "analysis" you quote makes the same logical fallacy assumption that tourism revenue will somehow dry out if the royalty goes away. This is, of course, complete non-sense as proven by France, Spain, Italy, Austria, etc. which draw huge tourism crowds to the former royal palaces.
Changing the Guards at the Palace is a huge tourist draw. It's not going to happen if there is no-one to guard.

And, you should feel the excitement in the crowds at the Palace gates or at Windsor when people see the Royal Standard is flying and know that the Queen is in residence.

Trooping the Colour is another state occasion that pulls the crowds.
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Changing the Guards at the Palace is a huge tourist draw. It's not going to happen if there is no-one to guard.
1. Changing the guards has nothing to do with royalty, you have guard changes in multiple countries in front of palaces, parliaments, etc.
2. People go to visit London first and they naturally visit the Palace. They will keep on visiting London and the Palace irrelevant if there is a Queen there or not.
3. This debate is useless. If one is pro-royalty, one will bring any argument about how beneficial they are. Same vice-versa. I just happen to dislike entitled, born-rich and arrogant people, but that's just me.
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Old 10.01.2020, 11:19
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1. Changing the guards has nothing to do with royalty, you have guard changes in multiple countries in front of palaces, parliaments, etc.
2. People go to visit London first and they naturally visit the Palace. They will keep on visiting London and the Palace irrelevant if there is a Queen there or not.
3. This debate is useless. If one is pro-royalty, one will bring any argument about how beneficial they are. Same vice-versa. I just happen to dislike entitled, born-rich and arrogant people, but that's just me.
Actually no. I am not a Royalist at all, I don't follow them or read all news about them. But I do think they do an amazing job for the country. I can't imagine what a difficult life it must be for them to lead and for the most part (especially the main Royals) I think they cope very well. In my opinion they are very good value for the small net cost there might be for the country (and I don't actually believe there is any net cost).

And speaking as someone who is at the sharp end of dealing with locals here I have to say they have a great reputation amongst the Swiss, some probably love them as much as the most ardent British Royalists, and these Swiss I feel have a much greater respect and interest in the UK simply because of the Royal Family.
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1. Changing the guards has nothing to do with royalty, you have guard changes in multiple countries in front of palaces, parliaments, etc.
2. People go to visit London first and they naturally visit the Palace. They will keep on visiting London and the Palace irrelevant if there is a Queen there or not.
3. This debate is useless. If one is pro-royalty, one will bring any argument about how beneficial they are. Same vice-versa. I just happen to dislike entitled, born-rich and arrogant people, but that's just me.
I'm a bit "take it or leave it" with the wider royal family but I quite like the whole living history of it, and how the monarchy has shaped the country over hundreds of years in a way that wouldn't have happened with a republic.

From a cultural and historical point of view modern monarchies around the world are an interesting and necessary feature. If that costs a bit to maintain then, fine.

They could slim it down a bit and get rid of great swathes of plastic royals and hangers-on, though.
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History of the Royal Family can be compared to the Notre Damme Cathedral 's history.
The former one suffered Megxit and they would need to restructure it, whereas the latter one was burnt down and it would need to be rebuilt. In both cases, public money at least partially will be used.

Firstly, people have hunch who did it and secondly, they are Mega-(n) ex(c)ited …
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Oh come on, seriously? Any data? The UK royal family is the most famous, iconic and profitable monarchy in the world and synonymous with the United Kingdom and especially London.

Well certainly to the English, but if you were Japanese or Thai you may beg to differ.....
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Seeing as la Guillotine is long retired, can't they just be shipped off to ISIS for processing?

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