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It spans across generations, though. Whether you hear it home or on a train, online or elsewhere, is irrelevant. I hear a mix of empathy and concern for her. I think representing a guilt-trip cannot go for ever, either, in terms of branding or tabloids fodder. Her entourage exploits.
I also don't really see much scope for the further development of her persona. What will she be like when she's 25, 30, 40? Can she turn into a sort of Michael Moore and make documentaries, or can she run for public office and become a politician? Or will she turn into a Richard Dawkins and write books saying all the same thing and endlessly debate with idiots on TV? Maybe she can. But I don't really see it right now. But maybe that's also part of her appeal. She exists in the present and there is no before or after.
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She exists in the present and there is no before or after.
Much like humanity, should we ignore her.
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Re: The two most criticised Women today Meghan Markle & Greta Thunberg

Oh boy....

Meghan Markle is hated because:
She's neither black nor white.
She seemingly doesn't give one flying hoot if you LOVE or HATE the decisions she's making--- she will make them for her and her family.
She's successful in her own right
Very much for her own personal happiness and rejoices in her self worth
The British Public loves to make her into the "Mad Black Woman"
The type to nearly say "CAN I GET AN AMEN"at her royal english wedding with the unapologetically black ensemble

Greta is hated because:
She carries disability (asbergers?) but gives her an edge for her captivated way of speaking
She is part of the youth generation deemed as over-opinionated and know-it-alls
She states what she knows very matter of factly and doesn't mince words, much like a cutthroat CEO taking names, gathering even more information, and forging connections for her own agenda

Both of these women.... are WOMEN. None of the problems I addressed or lack there of are really problematic issues for men. These women are seen as very ultra-feminists in entirely different ways. Every one knows feminism in 2020 has been demonized. Nasty evil women running the world with their men-hating perspectives and agendas. :P
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I also don't really see much scope for the further development of her persona. What will she be like when she's 25, 30, 40? Can she turn into a sort of Michael Moore and make documentaries, or can she run for public office and become a politician? Or will she turn into a Richard Dawkins and write books saying all the same thing and endlessly debate with idiots on TV? Maybe she can. But I don't really see it right now. But maybe that's also part of her appeal. She exists in the present and there is no before or after.
I think the documentaries would be cool, away from all the hyped up exposure and actually providing possible accuity.

I like the "now and here" but it gets old. I understand how some romanticize that, looking back at their uncompromising selves back then.

Btw, I don't think anyone hates M nor G.

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Oh boy....

Meghan Markle is hated because:
She's neither black nor white.
She seemingly doesn't give one flying hoot if you LOVE or HATE the decisions she's making--- she will make them for her and her family.
She's successful in her own right
Very much for her own personal happiness and rejoices in her self worth
The British Public loves to make her into the "Mad Black Woman"
The type to nearly say "CAN I GET AN AMEN"at her royal english wedding with the unapologetically black ensemble

Greta is hated because:
She carries disability (asbergers?) but gives her an edge for her captivated way of speaking
She is part of the youth generation deemed as over-opinionated and know-it-alls
She states what she knows very matter of factly and doesn't mince words, much like a cutthroat CEO taking names, gathering even more information, and forging connections for her own agenda

Both of these women.... are WOMEN. None of the problems I addressed or lack there of are really problematic issues for men. These women are seen as very ultra-feminists in entirely different ways. Every one knows feminism in 2020 has been demonized. Nasty evil women running the world with their men-hating perspectives and agendas. :P
Yup. This. Sadly, this. Even now.

It's the whole drive/aggression thing: men are often described as having the former, women the latter, when in actuality they display the same traits.

I think Meghan is great, strong, determined, articulate and has clearly been struggling with post-natal stuff whilst in a vile media fishbowl.

Greta is strong, determined and articulate and has forged/been given a platform so she can continue to be all these good things and more.

Strong, determined and articulate wimmin seem to scare the (media) "men"folk, esp. Piers Morgan and his ilk. He seems to be leading the charge against Meghan.
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Btw, I don't think anyone hates M nor G.
I present you one "Piers Morgan".
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I present you one "Piers Morgan".
He's the ultimate wankturd. The stuff he says/writes should get him a media ban. He incites.
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He's the ultimate wankturd. The stuff he says/writes should get him a media ban. He incites.
He is certainly a journalistic enigma. Viciously attacking both GT and MM on a daily basis, which is clearly pleasing the bottom-feeding tabloids because it generates clicks and shares. But then he also did that toe-curling, brown-nosing sycophantic interview with Trump which neither achieved anything nor produced any kind of substance.

He's a weird fish.
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Re: The two most criticised Women today Meghan Markle & Greta Thunberg

Agreed, Piers Morgan has become as enjoyable listening to Charlie Brown parent 1 and 2 voice. It's not even everything he says for me, it's the voice and contradictions.... obsessive need to complain and belittle 24/7.
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He is certainly a journalistic enigma. Viciously attacking both GT and MM on a daily basis, which is clearly pleasing the bottom-feeding tabloids because it generates clicks and shares. But then he also did that toe-curling, brown-nosing sycophantic interview with Trump which neither achieved anything nor produced any kind of substance.

He's a weird fish.
He's a tabloid hack who made his reputation via various semi-legal (and often outright illegal) operations.

It is no wonder he is hugely anti-Leveson and hugely anti-press regulation and hugely anti-any celeb who puts their head above the parapet (Coogan, Grant, Meghan) and complains about press intrusion (a more pleasant euphemism for stalking/bin-raking/provoking/etc).

Like a broken clock, he is right a couple of times a day though - I did enjoy him taking the gun regulation fight to the Americans.
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He is certainly a journalistic enigma. Viciously attacking both GT and MM on a daily basis, which is clearly pleasing the bottom-feeding tabloids because it generates clicks and shares. But then he also did that toe-curling, brown-nosing sycophantic interview with Trump which neither achieved anything nor produced any kind of substance.

He's a weird fish.
He is an odious little man.
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Oh boy....

Meghan Markle is hated because:
She's neither black nor white.
She seemingly doesn't give one flying hoot if you LOVE or HATE the decisions she's making--- she will make them for her and her family.
She's successful in her own right
Very much for her own personal happiness and rejoices in her self worth
The British Public loves to make her into the "Mad Black Woman"
The type to nearly say "CAN I GET AN AMEN"at her royal english wedding with the unapologetically black ensemble

Greta is hated because:
She carries disability (asbergers?) but gives her an edge for her captivated way of speaking
She is part of the youth generation deemed as over-opinionated and know-it-alls
She states what she knows very matter of factly and doesn't mince words, much like a cutthroat CEO taking names, gathering even more information, and forging connections for her own agenda

Both of these women.... are WOMEN. None of the problems I addressed or lack there of are really problematic issues for men. These women are seen as very ultra-feminists in entirely different ways. Every one knows feminism in 2020 has been demonized. Nasty evil women running the world with their men-hating perspectives and agendas. :P
Oh lady....

aren't you confusing opinions (heavily biased ones as well) with facts?
Let me add some more, while we are at it.

GT is hated because she complains without offering any solutions whilst drawing attention away from scientists
GT is hated because she's just a puppet for companies with greenish business plans
GT is hated because she points out stuff which we would choose to ignore instead of reflecting on it and, god forbid, change our behaviour.


I don't know anything about Meghan but one question came up while reading your post. Since shes neither black or white, is there a new kind called colour fluid, like we have it now with the gender fluid people?
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Oh lady....
Always a great way to start a reply to someone who suggests that women might not be being respected.
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Not pointing fingers at you here MC, but it does amuse me that people who started working at 15 (and quickly earning big!) and people who think kids should be allowed to work as pros are getting concerned about a 17 year old missing school and giving her scientifically backed opinion on a subject.
Are these those boomers you keep mentioning?
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Oh look. Another fact. Oh wait. (Closer look). No, it isn't.

Well. I've been labeled online (not just here) of being a boomer, a millenial, a snowflake and a gammon. Of being left wing and right wing. Of being conservative and liberal.

It appears the reasoning among the intolerant of all flavours (or haters, if you prefer that term), is:
  • You disagree with me.
  • Gammons/snowflakes/boomers/millenials also disagree with me
  • Therefore you are a gammon/snowflake/boomers/millenial

Which is the same logical fallacy as:
  • Oh look, a bird.
  • Crows are birds.
  • Therefore that bird is a crow.

But don't let little things like logic get in your way.
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Are these those boomers you keep mentioning?
Oh look. Another fact.

Well. I've been labeled online (not just here) of being a boomer, a millenial, a snowflake and a gammon. Of being left wing and right wing. Of being conservative and liberal.

It appears the reasoning among the intolerant of all flavours (or haters, if you prefer that term), is:
  • You disagree with me.
  • Gammons/snowflakes/boomers/millenials also disagree with me
  • Therefore you are a gammon/snowflake/boomers/millenial

Which is the same logical fallacy as:
  • Oh look, a bird.
  • Crows are birds.
  • Therefore that bird is a crow.

But don't let little things like logic get in your way.
Or perhaps you're just making my point that people who dislike Greta get pretty wound up about a wee girl's opinions.

I obviously don't know who you are, or what generation you align with. I do know you get a bit worked up about this whole thing though. Relax, it's anonymous opinions on an online forum with 99% people you'll never meet.

If it helps though, I have you down as a gen-x, boomer sympathizing, climate change denying gammon who is a bit of a snowflake.
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Always a great way to start a reply to someone who suggests that women might not be being respected.
I just wanted to emulate the writing style
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I also don't really see much scope for the further development of her persona. What will she be like when she's 25, 30, 40? Can she turn into a sort of Michael Moore and make documentaries, or can she run for public office and become a politician? Or will she turn into a Richard Dawkins and write books saying all the same thing and endlessly debate with idiots on TV? Maybe she can. But I don't really see it right now. But maybe that's also part of her appeal. She exists in the present and there is no before or after.
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I think Greta is hated/disliked because she triggers a guilty conscience which people would rather avoid.
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What a strange conclusion.

I think that climate change is real, and that humans are contributing to it.
I don't believe that the human race is heading to extinction.
I neither hate, dislike, like or love Greta. I reserve such emotions for people I've had meaningful interactions with.
I don't believe that following Greta's recommendations will improve human happiness.
I don't believe that there's a snowflake's chance in hell of her recommendations being implemented in any meaningful way.
I think changes need to be done in a way that fits in with a capitalist society.
I believe in meaningful discussion, rather than trading ad hominem arguments. But allowing a little light mocking for truly silly comments.

But maybe you can help me. What does "boomer sympathising" mean? For me a boomer is simply someone born between 1946 and 1964.What exactly is your definition of a boomer? Or do you not have one, and it's just empty noise?

Have you met my friend Titania McGrath. I think you'd get on well with her.
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What a strange conclusion.

I think that climate change is real, and that humans are contributing to it.
I don't believe that the human race is heading to extinction.
I neither hate, dislike, like or love Greta. I reserve such emotions for people I've had meaningful interactions with.
I don't believe that following Greta's recommendations will improve human happiness.
I don't believe that there's a snowflake's chance in hell of her recommendations being implemented in any meaningful way.
I think changes need to be done in a way that fits in with a capitalist society.
I believe in meaningful discussion, rather than trading ad hominem arguments. But allowing a little light mocking for truly silly comments.

But maybe you can help me. What does "boomer sympathising" mean? For me a boomer is simply someone born between 1946 and 1964.What exactly is your definition of a boomer? Or do you not have one, and it's just empty noise?

Have you met my friend Titania McGrath. I think you'd get on well with her.
To be honest, the only people I know who follow our Titania are people who love complaining about whining millennials, it was much better in my day when men were men and women weren't.

Fair enough, that's your bag, it's fairly Boomerish, even though you aren't one. My taste in music is pretty Boomerish even though I am not one either, horses for courses.

If you don't believe the human race is heading for extinction, you are probably at best massively optimistic at worst uninformed. If it isn't climate change that gets us, it'll be something else - I don't see our span being quite as successful as the dinosaurs somehow We're not as adaptable or robust as people might think.
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