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To be honest, the only people I know who follow our Titania are people who love complaining about whining millennials, it was much better in my day when men were men and women weren't.

Fair enough, that's your bag, it's fairly Boomerish, even though you aren't one. My taste in music is pretty Boomerish even though I am not one either, horses for courses.

If you don't believe the human race is heading for extinction, you are probably at best massively optimistic at worst uninformed. If it isn't climate change that gets us, it'll be something else - I don't see our span being quite as successful as the dinosaurs somehow We're not as adaptable or robust as people might think.
Do we really have to make boomerish a word?
It just throws millions of people into the same bin....

If there isn't a global event which resets the planet (asteroid impact, global nuclear war) I doubt that the human race will completely vanish from the planet. A lot of todays problems come from overpopulation and overconsumption. If we don't act, nature will eventually regulate one way or the other. I doubt that will lead to more than the death of three thirds of the human population.
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Do we really have to make boomerish a word?
It just throws millions of people into the same bin....
But we understand what Boomerish means - it isn't really all people born around the wars years, but people with an attitude that is prevalent among a large swathe of people from that generation. Not every 70 year old is a climate denier for example - it would be silly to suggest that, but a large portion are and it is of course to them Boomer refers.

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If there isn't a global event which resets the planet (asteroid impact, global nuclear war) I doubt that the human race will completely vanish from the planet. A lot of todays problems come from overpopulation and overconsumption. If we don't act, nature will eventually regulate one way or the other. I doubt that will lead to more than the death of three thirds of the human population.
You are looking fairly short term there - I believe given the nature of man, we will most likely do for ourselves, but over any serious length of time, a resetting global event trends ever nearer to a probability of 1.
Climate change will accelerate this process I believe - we will soon be seeing 100s of millions of climate refugees from flooded countries looking for somewhere to live, or conversely, millions of starving and thirsty people looking for refuge from Africa and elsewhere.

We've seen the relative chaos a couple of million refugees from the middle east has caused - multiply this by a factor of 100 and then let's see how we get on.

There are simple (if relatively expensive) solutions, but as mentioned by NAT, not really the political will for it...yet. Let's hope it isn't too late by the time there is.
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But we understand what Boomerish means - it isn't really all people born around the wars years, but people with an attitude that is prevalent among a large swathe of people from that generation. Not every 70 year old is a climate denier for example - it would be silly to suggest that, but a large portion are and it is of course to them Boomer refers.
I see your point and I agree that it can be usefull. Every time when someone uses #trendinginstaslang I automaticely put it close to the "uninformed, mainstream imitating" category. Thats just the effect on me and has propably more to do with me than with those writers.

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You are looking fairly short term there - I believe given the nature of man, we will most likely do for ourselves, but over any serious length of time, a resetting global event trends ever nearer to a probability of 1.
Climate change will accelerate this process I believe - we will soon be seeing 100s of millions of climate refugees from flooded countries looking for somewhere to live, or conversely, millions of starving and thirsty people looking for refuge from Africa and elsewhere.

We've seen the relative chaos a couple of million refugees from the middle east has caused - multiply this by a factor of 100 and then let's see how we get on.

There are simple (if relatively expensive) solutions, but as mentioned by NAT, not really the political will for it...yet. Let's hope it isn't too late by the time there is.
My money is on a virus/bacteria. It's not written in the text but in a recent case of pneumonic plaque, they had to test 8 different strains of antiobiotics until they found one that was working. There is close to zero reasearch done for new antibiotics atm

https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/10/14...dagascar-11961
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To be honest, the only people I know who follow our Titania are people who love complaining about whining millennials, it was much better in my day when men were men and women weren't.
Aha. A transphobe!

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If you don't believe the human race is heading for extinction, you are probably at best massively optimistic at worst uninformed. If it isn't climate change that gets us, it'll be something else - I don't see our span being quite as successful as the dinosaurs somehow We're not as adaptable or robust as people might think.
I know the human race is heading ultimately towards extinction. By the heat death of the universe if nothing else. I find the belief that climate change will "get us" to be not in keeping with scientific fact. We are incredibly adaptable - that's what's made the human race so successful, so powerful, so dangerous to other species, and so cool. If anyone can save the majority of the planet from ultimate extinction, it'll be the humans. Not the fluffy bunnies.

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No. We don't. I wasn't pissing about when I asked you what you thought 'boomer' meant. And I still find it a demeaning epithet and downright rude. There are plenty of the boomer generation who do not ascribe to what you label "boomerish opinion".
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Re: The two most criticised Women today Meghan Markle & Greta Thunberg

As far as Titania is concerned, she simply rattles the cage of people who don't realise it's a parody. Although... is it? Consider this from David Baddiel.

Recently, JK Rowling was immersed in a twitstorm. It involved trans politics. One particular tweet, from a prominent social media influencer, caught my eye. It said:

“TERFs really exhibit some of the most hateful, hideous, and deranged behaviour I’ve ever seen, truly scum of the earth level. Congrats JK Rowling for joining them. What a horrible evil way to use your influence. I hate her and I hope something bad happens to her now.”

It’s a fascinating tweet in many ways. It moves so quickly, doesn’t it, from hate to hate? From describing with horror and anger what it sees as hate, to encouraging hate, even to encouraging the consequences of hate, without a breath, without a pause to wonder if there might be any other way than anger.


Is that tweet very far from the stuff Titania writes? It displays the same lack of moral consistency and self-awareness.
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Aha. A transphobe!

I know the human race is heading ultimately towards extinction. By the heat death of the universe if nothing else. I find the belief that climate change will "get us" to be not in keeping with scientific fact. We are incredibly adaptable - that's what's made the human race so successful, so powerful, so dangerous to other species, and so cool. If anyone can save the majority of the planet from ultimate extinction, it'll be the humans. Not the fluffy bunnies.

No. We don't. I wasn't pissing about when I asked you what you thought 'boomer' meant. And I still find it a demeaning epithet and downright rude. There are plenty of the boomer generation who do not ascribe to what you label "boomerish opinion".
Elu seemed to understand, as did most other people on here. Anyway, my interpretation of it is available now, should you wise to peruse.

Humans saving the planet from Climate Change would be like a defender clearing the ball off his own goal line, after lobbing his own goalkeeper.
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What is transpolitics?
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But we understand what Boomerish means - it isn't really all people born around the wars years, but people with an attitude that is prevalent among a large swathe of people from that generation. Not every 70 year old is a climate denier for example - it would be silly to suggest that, but a large portion are and it is of course to them Boomer refers.

You are looking fairly short term there - I believe given the nature of man, we will most likely do for ourselves, but over any serious length of time, a resetting global event trends ever nearer to a probability of 1.
Climate change will accelerate this process I believe - we will soon be seeing 100s of millions of climate refugees from flooded countries looking for somewhere to live, or conversely, millions of starving and thirsty people looking for refuge from Africa and elsewhere.

We've seen the relative chaos a couple of million refugees from the middle east has caused - multiply this by a factor of 100 and then let's see how we get on.

There are simple (if relatively expensive) solutions, but as mentioned by NAT, not really the political will for it...yet. Let's hope it isn't too late by the time there is.
Isn't overpopulation the key problem? Issue is that any solution for that will be highly politically unacceptable.

As for flooding, this is an issue that can be solved relatively easy - saying this as I'm originally from a country that is partially below sea level.
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Re: The two most criticised Women today Meghan Markle & Greta Thunberg

If someone wants to follow the WEF strike website: https://strike-wef.org/gb/ They invited Greta for the Landquart-Davos hike.



The strikers seem to have access to better legal counsel than the average EF member https://strike-wef.org/wp-content/up...rhike_en-2.pdf



The last night at Davos was at ~15°C. The hike to Davos should be quite athletic. In any case, the kids protesting are not hurting anyone. Their lives, their time, their worries.
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Isn't overpopulation the key problem? Issue is that any solution for that will be highly politically unacceptable.

As for flooding, this is an issue that can be solved relatively easy - saying this as I'm originally from a country that is partially below sea level.
It can be resolved fairly easily for a small, wealthy country. Compare your country (I presume Netherlands, apologies if not!) to their crown protectorate (or whatever your equiv is) Suriname - they are already beginning to get hammered with this and it is bound to get worse soon enough.
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Something to do with international logistics terf wars?
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Michael Howard getting elected to the House of Lords.
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Terf or turf? Terf stuff can be very divisive.
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Terf or turf? Terf stuff can be very divisive.
Terf. It's a convoluted play on words. I'm not a fan of Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist Exclusionary Radical Trans Activists. Or TERFERTA's for short.

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If that's your view, then Greta's arguments are utterly pointless. Because that's exactly what she's calling for. For humans to start saving the planet instead of destroying it. I'm all for it. I just don't think the strategy she promotes is viable.

Humans not saving the planet from climate change would be like turkey's voting for Christmas. Or certain groups in the UK voting for Brexit... oh... wait.
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If that's your view, then Greta's arguments are utterly pointless. Because that's exactly what she's calling for. For humans to start saving the planet instead of destroying it. I'm all for it. I just don't think the strategy she promotes is viable.

Humans not saving the planet from climate change would be like turkey's voting for Christmas. Or certain groups in the UK voting for Brexit... oh... wait.
Not sure what you're arguing about here. My position is that anthropogenic climate change is real (in agreement with the vast majority of scientists) and that if we save the planet via a quick transition to alternative energy/other green measures we have simply saved the planet from our own mistakes (see my football analogy). Not sure why that invalidates Greta's position, as it is the same position I hold - we've fooked the place, but might be able to pull it back with some quick action.

I agree with your last paragraph!
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Not sure what you're arguing about here. My position is that anthropogenic climate change is real (in agreement with the vast majority of scientists) and that if we save the planet via a quick transition to alternative energy/other green measures we have simply saved the planet from our own mistakes (see my football analogy). Not sure why that invalidates Greta's position, as it is the same position I hold - we've fooked the place, but might be able to pull it back with some quick action.

I agree with your last paragraph!
I don't think alternative energy sources are a solution. We need to live much more simple: consume less, throw less stuff away, travel less, more sustainable food etc.
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I don't think alternative energy sources are a solution. We need to live much more simple: consume less, throw less stuff away, travel less, more sustainable food etc.
Globally, about 75% of co2 emissions are due to energy (including transport) - if you could eventually (or quickly!) eliminate this chunk of emissions, it would make a gigantic difference!

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Yep. Plus alternative energy sources.
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Careful. With that kind of crazy talk like that you risk the ire of people like Piers Morgan.
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Like pre-cooked koalas!

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