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Until a a vaccine or an inoculation can be found against Covid-19

Could this be a way forward or even an alternative way out ?

The Guardian - UK to trial blood transfusions from Covid-19 survivors

BBC News - Coronavirus, plasma treatment to be trialled
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Old 22.04.2020, 15:54
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Sorry, I did not mean to imply that.
The mutant data is worrying. They are able to get a geographical trail of the virus through the mutations. Up to now, I think the assumption was that the mutations are "silent". If that is not the case and it is mutating as, or more rapidly than flu strains into versions with a different characteristics, that will make developing a vaccine really difficult. Lets hope the different victim profiles are just down to chance/local circumstances.
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Old 22.04.2020, 16:06
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I've been wondering for a while if the UK has been hit by a different strain of the virus than Switzerland because the mortality has been so much higher. Also the demographic of the fatalities has been markedly different.

I read last week that the average age of the fatalities in ZH Canton was 75 with the age range being 65 - 97. In my home town, the average age is lower and they're seeing fatalities in the 30s - 60s age groups despite being a much smaller population, not running at capacity, having a smaller BAME population and having a far lower number of diagnosed cases.
....still think a simple reason for the UK/Swiss difference (or UK/Geman for that matter) is the shameful lack of testing in the UK. Cases are massively under counted there (as are deaths but not by as much), giving a higher apparent death to cases ratio
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Sorry, I did not mean to imply that.
The mutant data is worrying. They are able to get a geographical trail of the virus through the mutations. Up to now, I think the assumption was that the mutations are "silent". If that is not the case and it is mutating as, or more rapidly than flu strains into versions with a different characteristics, that will make developing a vaccine really difficult. Lets hope the different victim profiles are just down to chance/local circumstances.
On the (slightly) up side, this has been known/expected since the moment they started working on a vaccine. Covid-19 is an RNA virus and the absence of DNA to control replication means mutations happen pretty quickly. All the vaccine work now happening assumes mutations - hence they do not target the virus as a whole (unlike measles vaccine for example) but the bits of the virus that make it so dangerous.
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Old 22.04.2020, 16:12
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Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought

“The fact that there were deaths related to covid back in early February is very significant because it means the virus was around for a lot longer than was initially realized,” Jeff Smith, a physician and the county executive in Santa Clara, told The Washington Post. “It’s been around for a while and it’s probably been spreading in the community for quite some time.”
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Not picking on you personally, but why am I suddenly seeing 'normalcy' creeping into common usage when I've never seen or heard it before the last couple of weeks? What happened to 'sense of normality'?
Must be an American thing. Sense of normality just doesn't sound familiar to my ears.
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Not picking on you personally, but why am I suddenly seeing 'normalcy' creeping into common usage when I've never seen or heard it before the last couple of weeks? What happened to 'sense of normality'?
'Normality' is normal English ; 'normalcy' is predominantly American (usually associated with President Warren G. Harding’s "return to normalcy" campaign slogan, where he screwed up and used the wrong word, but unfortunately it caught on). However, even over there 'normality' outsells 'normalcy' two to one. Originally, 'normalcy' applied to mathematical concepts only (think normal curves, etc.).

Being an American aberration, 'normalcy' should obviously be consigned to the dustheap, but it's too deeply rooted in the US, now.

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Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought

“The fact that there were deaths related to covid back in early February is very significant because it means the virus was around for a lot longer than was initially realized,” Jeff Smith, a physician and the county executive in Santa Clara, told The Washington Post. “It’s been around for a while and it’s probably been spreading in the community for quite some time.”
Not really surprising to me given the fact that we know it was in China in at least December. If it had been early January then maybe it would be newsworthy.
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Not picking on you personally, but why am I suddenly seeing 'normalcy' creeping into common usage when I've never seen or heard it before the last couple of weeks? What happened to 'sense of normality'?
Apparently not a new word:



It's been in use in books since just before 1920. A horrible word, if you ask me.
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Must be an American thing. Sense of normality just doesn't sound familiar to my ears.
Seems so, despite 'normality' (on its own) being used much more frequently than 'normalcy' over there.
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Old 22.04.2020, 16:48
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Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought

“The fact that there were deaths related to covid back in early February is very significant because it means the virus was around for a lot longer than was initially realized,” Jeff Smith, a physician and the county executive in Santa Clara, told The Washington Post. “It’s been around for a while and it’s probably been spreading in the community for quite some time.”
I would say that was pretty clear. I hope no one thinks this just came to Europe in early to mid March. I'd guess even early February is a conservative estimateand would assume it's been around since early January

Of course by extension this COULD (!!) possibly also mean that a) either it's not as contagious as assumed and had nobody started testing for it (and/or China hadn't said anything), some or most may not even have known something was wrong and instead just noticed a more severe flu season than usual and/or b) many, many more people were infected at some point, meaning mortality rates are significantly lower.

Around 6-12 months from now we'll know.
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Being an American aberration, 'normalcy' should obviously be consigned to the dustheap, but it's too deeply rooted in the US, now.
Normalcy just sounds so wrong to my British ears, I’d happily see it consigned to the scrap heap.
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That sounds correct. I can't really think of when I might say normalcy without the "sense of" preceding it.
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...Of course by extension this COULD (!!) possibly also mean that a) either it's not as contagious as assumed and had nobody started testing for it (and/or China hadn't said anything), most may not even have known something was wrong and instead just noticed a more severe flu season than usual and/or b) many, many more people were infected at some point, meaning significantly lower mortality rates.

Around 6-12 months from now we'll know.
I begin to think the opposite - if it's been circulating for a while, it's crazy contagious but somehow not very deadly except in certain populations and in pockets, and with continued exposure such as healthcare workers receive. The more tests countries do, the more we'll learn about the virus. Interesting stuff and I look forward to seeing more research.
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Until a a vaccine or an inoculation can be found against Covid-19

Could this be a way forward or even an alternative way out ?

The Guardian - UK to trial blood transfusions from Covid-19 survivors

BBC News - Coronavirus, plasma treatment to be trialled
Blood transfusions and plasma treatments were tried back in 1918. Don't know if they worked. I guess not.
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Blood transfusions and plasma treatments were tried back in 1918. Don't know if they worked. I guess not.
Antibodies were tried in (I think) China a while back with some success. But not a proper trial.
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Old 22.04.2020, 17:08
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The more tests countries do, the more we'll learn about the virus. Interesting stuff and I look forward to seeing more research.
That plus we need to understand how it operates/moves in real settings instead of these artificial conditions that have been created. From that perspective, easing measures step-by-step seems reasonable and logical. That’s of course assuming lockdowns made sense to begin with - which we don’t know yet either, at least not for anything other than to mitigate pressure on already extremely fragile healthcare systems in some areas, though also not all.
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That plus we need to understand how it operates/moves in real settings instead of these artificial conditions that have been created. From that perspective, easing measures step-by-step seems reasonable and logical. That’s of course assuming lockdowns made sense to begin with - which we don’t know yet either, at least not for anything other than to mitigate pressure on already extremely fragile healthcare systems in some areas, though also not all.
Strange conclusion:
China, denial, late lockdown, disaster
Italy, late lockdown, disaster
Britain, very late lockdown, disaster
Sweden, limited lockdown, developing disaster
USA, late limited ( from state to state) lockdown, disaster
The countries with reliable lower covid death numbers either locked down early /or had extensive testing, tracing, isolation programmes.
These are all real settings.
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Probably.

But "don't forget to blow out the candle" is probably more practical.
its electric.

Although some of their health claims are not supported by science, Himalayan salt lamps may have other benefits.

These include:

They are attractive: If you like the way they look, they could be an attractive addition to your home.
They create a nice ambiance: They could help create a relaxing atmosphere that helps you unwind.
They might help limit light in the evening: If you struggle to sleep, using dim lights in the evening may help you get to sleep faster.
Overall, these points may make them a great addition to your home.

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Strange conclusion:
China, denial, late lockdown, disaster
Italy, late lockdown, disaster
Britain, very late lockdown, disaster
Sweden, limited lockdown, developing disaster
USA, late limited ( from state to state) lockdown, disaster
The countries with reliable lower covid death numbers either locked down early /or had extensive testing, tracing, isolation programmes.
These are all real settings.
Switzerland, limited lockdown, early but not superearly, no disaster.
Germany, limited lockdown, early but not superearly, also no disaster.
South Korea, no lockdown, quick response with different measures, no disaster.

Define "disaster" and again, there's a difference between what the virus is and does and the ability of healthcare systems as well as governments to respond to any form of shock to the system. Some have been perfectly able to respond vs others who have not and that varies widely even within countries. The reasons for that are extremely multifaceted and it's impossible to look at just one factor.

Also, China never shut down entirely.
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