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Old 16.02.2020, 15:02
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Re: Swiss neutrality a shattered image thanks to Crypto AG Scandal ?

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Neutrality is a position held by the government. From what I understand Crypto is a private company.

Was a private concern.

However, there are certain regulations concerning with who and how a Swiss firm conducts its business in regard to neutrality. For example RUAG and Pilatus can not do business with every dictatorship.
Then the other question is, was the Swiss Secret Service in on the whole deal?
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Old 16.02.2020, 15:38
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Re: Swiss neutrality a shattered image thanks to Crypto AG Scandal ?

Tbh I also thought for a brief moment that I might have to hold my head in shame if I ever have to state that I’m Swiss when abroad.

Then quickly came to my senses, and realised that it was just a slow news day that needed to be plugged with something.
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Old 16.02.2020, 15:58
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Re: Swiss neutrality a shattered image thanks to Crypto AG Scandal ?

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It's a non-story and a non-issue. Switzerland's neutrality does not mean that every company registering or operating in Switzerland must not do any business with any foreign government. If this was the case we might as well shut down large portions of the private sector.

The Swiss government is neutral, was neutral in the 1940s and before that and will continue to remain neutral until further notice.
Definitely not a non-story.

Also the subject is not having done business with foreign governments. Crypto officially mainly did business with foreign governments (Mr. Meier and Mrs. Huber usually don't buy those sophisticated items ), the point is that a tap-proof device (tap-proof being the sales-argument) was delivered tapped!
So once we're through with the political side of all this, we should debate fraud.

I just watched the "Rundschau" of last Wednesday. One sentence desturbed me: Bundesrat Villiger was contacted and informed about the suspicion and accusations and did not inform the rest of the Bundesrat about it! Villiger, a secret dictatorship advocate, who did not understand/respect the Swiss system of 7 Bundesräte?! Abuse of office? Of course Mr. Villiger "does not remember". Like many others actually. I wonder if they will let those get away with this sudden alzheimer-epidemic.
Not to mention the mystical disappearance of documentation from the National Archives. Seriously?!

If this is not completely clarified and politicians (Bundesräte) being held responsible we will have to draw up new laws to better control our government.
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Old 16.02.2020, 16:21
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Re: Swiss neutrality a shattered image thanks to Crypto AG Scandal ?

Neutrality effectively just means not in any formal alliance, doesn't it?
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Old 16.02.2020, 18:37
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Was a private concern.

However, there are certain regulations concerning with who and how a Swiss firm conducts its business in regard to neutrality. For example RUAG and Pilatus can not do business with every dictatorship.
Then the other question is, was the Swiss Secret Service in on the whole deal?
But if a private company does not comply it still doesn’t call into question the neutrality of the country.

The company will have to face whatever consequences follow.
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Old 16.02.2020, 18:42
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Then I am against you, as you are an aggressor.

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Re: Swiss neutrality a shattered image thanks to Crypto AG Scandal ?

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Crypto belonged to the US and Germany. It was no longer a Swiss company. Just like Toblerone, Ovomaltine, Syngenta ain't. People should realize that some day.

What will be interesting is what comes out of the investigations.
As there have been suspicions apparently - did the Swiss government check them out? (How much are they able to check out re a foreign company?).
Not even the suspicious employees were able to put their finger on it. How come? How was it done then?
Did people within the Swiss government/secret service know about this? If so, they will be held accountable I expect (this is not the US ).
How well can the Swiss government control a foreign company based here? Do we need new laws in order to do it (better)?

And also, how should Switzerland react to German and US secret services buying a Swiss company, misusing their invention? This is not peanuts, it's a political issue and I wonder if it will be clearly addressed from the Swiss side and will have some consequences.

But I'm on the standpoint that Switzerland now has to investigate and get the facts first before (re)acting. That's how things are done here anyway.
Did Swiss govn involve in this? Well the answer is pretty obvious. Just ask the question did Switzerland use this encoding device? The answer is a big fat no.

A picture says a thousand words. I wonder why none of the western media (dare to) show the map of the world to illustrate which countries have bought and have not bought this magical encoding device?

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