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Old 28.02.2020, 11:51
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My brexit battle

To say that I dislike bureaucracy is wrong, I loathe it with the power of a thousand exploding suns, I loathe burocracy that if my chest were a cannon I would shoot my heart at the Landratsamt.
(queue soggy splat)
Brexit has grabbed me again by the short red and curlies and taken me for a jog.
Last year some may remember my bitching about our HR department needing an Aufenthaltsgenehmigung, and I was all: “I have a unbefristeter Aufenthaltsgenehmigung… Bring it on!) well it turns out HR brought it on and I needed to get above mentioned document.
So I did, in December I went to the Ausländerbehörde and requested a Aufenthaltsgenehmigung, paid my money and last Wednesday I got snailmail saying that my card was ready to pick up from the Ausländerbehörde.
This is quite literally at the very last second, because what I did not take into account was that my Arbeitsvertrag was limited to one year, and that one year will be over on the first or May and it won´t be extended without this damn document.
Today I went to our HR drone and presented my card with a smug little smile on my face, only to get it wiped off a second later.
The card I got was a Aufenthaltserlaubnis for a EU citizen, as I was at the time of Antrag still a EU citizen and that was the only kind I could get.
(Are you starting to feel my pain?)
Now that I am no longer a EU citizen I have to get a AufenthaltsTITEL, one whereAufenthaltsgenehmigung and Arbeitserlaubnis are together, unlike as I remember from the seventies, you needed two documents things have progressed and you only need one.
Normally not much of a problem as I would have until April to get it or if our politicians get their fingers out until June.
BUT!
Remember my one-year contract?
Technically on Monday I am out of work.
I have been offered a contract until April, giving me a months’ time to get my bureaucracy together.
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Old 28.02.2020, 12:04
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Re: My brexit battle

Did you renounced to your UK citizenship? Otherwise, UK is still "EU citizenship" until 31.12.2020.

Also, as long as your permit application is being processed, you technically have a permit. Only until your permit is denied is that you have problems. But this requires the cooperation of HR. Time to bring them some kuchen and smiles

I have to renew permit every year. I make the renewal application 1 month before expiration. The last time, the new permit took 4 months after the expiration date, for a grand total of 5 months. Nothing happened, as long as the permit application was being processed and not been denied HR told me I was fine.
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Old 28.02.2020, 12:11
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Did you renounced to your UK citizenship? Otherwise, UK is still "EU citizenship" until 31.12.2020.

Also, as long as your permit application is being processed, you technically have a permit. Only until your permit is denied is that you have problems. But this requires the cooperation of HR. Time to bring them some kuchen and smiles
As there are as yet no contracts in place the "Frist" for employees is until April first, regardless of 31.12.2020.
On the second of April I will be regarded as unlawfully employed and it will cost the company 500 Euros a day and it will cost me also 500 Euros a day, not that they would have a chance in hell to collect. But there you go.
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Old 28.02.2020, 12:18
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Re: My brexit battle

Sorry, I added later that part about being 1-2 months every year with an expired B permit.
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Old 28.02.2020, 12:37
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Re: My brexit battle

Have you contacted the British Embassy in Germany about this? They should be your first port of call for advice.

There are a number of online groups who may be able to help with advice or point you in the right direction, such as...

https://britishineurope.org/

https://www.inlimboproject.org/

https://brexpatshov.com/

https://europestreet.news/
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Old 28.02.2020, 13:06
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Re: My brexit battle

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Did you renounced to your UK citizenship? Otherwise, UK is still "EU citizenship" until 31.12.2020.

Also, as long as your permit application is being processed, you technically have a permit. Only until your permit is denied is that you have problems. But this requires the cooperation of HR. Time to bring them some kuchen and smiles

I have to renew permit every year. I make the renewal application 1 month before expiration. The last time, the new permit took 4 months after the expiration date, for a grand total of 5 months. Nothing happened, as long as the permit application was being processed and not been denied HR told me I was fine.
This isn't true. The UK is not an EU member. During the transition period they might as well be. But we are non EU now
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Old 28.02.2020, 13:32
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Re: My brexit battle

I‘ll pop down to the Ausländerbehörde come Monday and sort it out.
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Old 28.02.2020, 13:33
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Re: My brexit battle

Firstly EU residence permits are valid for Brits until the end of the year!

Secondly.... do I understand right they you were working here for almost a year without a permit??
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Old 28.02.2020, 13:49
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Re: My brexit battle

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Firstly EU residence permits are valid for Brits until the end of the year!

Secondly.... do I understand right they you were working here for almost a year without a permit??
He's working and living in Germany
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Old 28.02.2020, 13:59
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He's working and living in Germany
Indeed. That might have been useful for slams to include
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Old 28.02.2020, 14:14
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Re: My brexit battle

Just read this. Perhaps it will be of some help to you further down the line. Hope you get this sorted Slammer.

'Brits in the EU to get common residence card
European Commission wants a single physical document for all Britons living in the EU by the end of the transition period.'

By CRISTINA GALLARDO 2/28/20, 9:00 AM CET Updated 2/28/20, 1:52 PM CET
https://www.politico.eu/article/brit...dence-documen/
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Old 28.02.2020, 14:39
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Indeed. That might have been useful for slams to include
Sorry. Thought it general knowledge.
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OH B***** - hope it will all work out for you. Bonne chance x
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He's working and living in Germany
Slammer, maybe you could come on home to us? Switzerland would be the richer for your wit!

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Old 29.02.2020, 10:13
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Firstly EU residence permits are valid for Brits until the end of the year!

Secondly.... do I understand right they you were working here for almost a year without a permit??
Up until Brexit I was a EU citizen and did not need a permit.
But this thing may or may not work to my advantage. It seem that by German laws you can only extend a limited contract once, after that they have to give you a permanent contract or chuck you out.
HR seems to think that after I have had a contract limited to a year they can give me a months (limited) contract for March and then give me another contract limited for a year.
That is unlawful, soooo I am wondering what will happen if I tell HR that my next contract after March should be a permanent one.
This could get interesting as I have heard from a colleague who is no longer with the company that I was originally employed so that he could learn from me then after a year my contract would simply not be renewed.
I don´t know if this is true or not but I would not put it past the guys in the deep shag carpet corner office.
So if I demand a permanent contract they could tell me to bugger off and if I accept a new one-year contract there is a good chance that I will be told to bugger off after that.
Not too sure that I want to stake my last 6 pre-pension years on that.
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Old 29.02.2020, 11:33
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Re: My brexit battle

Maybe its time to come back to CH?
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Old 02.03.2020, 18:58
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Re: My brexit battle

Weeel the Ausländeramt gave me some papers to prove that HR was talking out of it‘s ass and I got my contract, limited to six months...,
That has left me with a nasty taste in my mouth.
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