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15.04.2020, 17:27
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Meanwhile there's been reports of Sanitiser shortages in some places during the lockdown over in the UK. I can't get no Sanitiser the song & the video |
15.04.2020, 17:32
| | | | Re: Slammer´s rambling musings
| Quote: | |  | | | There may be taking of innoncent lives. But from the very start of that list its clear that this is not genocide... | | | | | How is what happened to the indigenous peoples of the US anything but genocide?
And maybe brush up on some of those others.
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15.04.2020, 18:41
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| Quote: | | | | | So compelling was the evidence that it fell at the first hurdle  what a waste of time! Instead of trying to oppose President Trump in a sensible and rational manner, the Democrats have just played into his hands of resorting to hysteria, conspiracy theory and ridiculous Nazi comparisons. The result is the best candidate they could muster for November is a seemingly senile, ancient pervert. President Trump may as well stand unopposed. Anyway, I won't take this discussion further away from it's topic. Go over to the sewer that is the President Trump discussion, I stay well away from that though! | | | | | What you Europeans have to realise is that to most Leftwingers in the US is that anything to the right of Stalin is ‘extreme right wing’.
What the left also in Europe conveniently ‘forget’ is that left wing terror ( mao , pol-pot and uncle joe etc) murdered a far higher number of people than Hitler.
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15.04.2020, 19:00
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| Quote: | | | | | What you Europeans have to realise is that to most Leftwingers in the US is that anything to the right of Stalin is ‘extreme right wing’.
What the left also in Europe conveniently ‘forget’ is that left wing terror ( mao , pol-pot and uncle joe etc) murdered a far higher number of people than Hitler. | | | | | What you have to realise is that for democratic socialists in Europe Stalin was far far right. The USA deals in simplistic left/right divides. I suggest you read some John Steinbeck - very relevant to modern day USA.
As to comparing atrocities- in the name of idealogy/religion/tribalism humans behave terribly. The question is, can we escape this.
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15.04.2020, 19:36
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| Quote: | | | | | What you have to realise is that for democratic socialists in Europe Stalin was far far right. | | | | | That's convenient.
What about communism as an ideology, where does that fit in on your scale?
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15.04.2020, 19:39
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| Quote: | | | | | I was thinking earlier (I know, it does happen from time to time) that one huge benefit, especially for Switzerland will be the optimization of the service industry. The entire service segment of this economy is rather inchoate, especially when compared to other places; this crisis has forced many restaurants and retailers to improve their online service. I believe that this upward trend will remain stronger than during pre-corona days, as people were sort of forced to using that route. | | | | | Maybe one day we will be able to open a direct debit without having to use the postal service!
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15.04.2020, 19:51
| | | | Re: Slammer´s rambling musings
I guess people will be more tolerant of WFH too.
It'd be too much to ask for to have slightly longer supermarket hours though. I don't think that's a battle that'll be won anytime soon sadly. I was amazed that opening hours over Easter weren't relaxed as it caused real crowding on the Saturday and Tuesday. Thank god that I have access to a non-public Coop that's very quiet atm.
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15.04.2020, 20:24
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| | | Re: Slammer´s rambling musings
I do hope that genocide(s) will not become not part of the Corona aftermath (the topic of this thread).
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16.04.2020, 06:42
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| Quote: | | | | | That's convenient.
What about communism as an ideology, where does that fit in on your scale? | | | | | It is not a linear scale -those circles with four or more poles that are in fashion today are much better tools. For me the "curves" for communism and fascism go to the limit of the authoritarian pole that I would place on the right hand side of the circle.
Suggestions for the other poles:
Transparency
Social mobility, equality of opportunity
civil rights freedom of expression etc a free press
Division of wealth
Democratic processes
Protection of private property 
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16.04.2020, 08:16
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| Quote: | | | | | What you Europeans have to realise is that to most Leftwingers in the US is that anything to the right of Stalin is ‘extreme right wing’. | | | | | Funny that. Because it seems that anyone to the left of Margaret Thatcher in the US is a Stalinist.
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16.04.2020, 13:31
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| Quote: | | | | | It is not a linear scale -those circles with four or more poles that are in fashion today are much better tools. For me the "curves" for communism and fascism go to the limit of the authoritarian pole that I would place on the right hand side of the circle. | | | | | Authoritarianism is neither right wing nor left wing.
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16.04.2020, 13:34
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| Quote: | | | | | Authoritarianism is neither right wing nor left wing. | | | | | Exactly, one could put that pole on the left hand side, it's just the right hand side I reserve for things I consider negative  |
19.04.2020, 07:25
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With every day of the lockdown the pressure on the economy is growing 1000 fold!
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19.04.2020, 07:31
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| Quote: | | | | | What you have to realise is that for democratic socialists in Europe Stalin was far far right. The USA deals in simplistic left/right divides. I suggest you read some John Steinbeck - very relevant to modern day USA.
As to comparing atrocities- in the name of idealogy/religion/tribalism humans behave terribly. The question is, can we escape this. | | | | | Yes there is an "escape". But only you and you alone have to discover that for yourself.
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29.04.2020, 13:37
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| Quote: | | | | | Creative destruction at work!!!Over-leveraged AirBnB hosts going bust  | | | | | This shouldn't be celebrated - private people (mostly) invested in a business and might go bust. I stayed many times at AirBnBs, got to meet locals in a way a hotel can't while supporting local economy. The world would be poorer without it.
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29.04.2020, 13:41
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| Quote: | | | | | This shouldn't be celebrated - private people (mostly) invested in a business and might go bust. I stayed many times at AirBnBs, got to meet locals in a way a hotel can't while supporting local economy. The world would be poorer without it. | | | | |
It will be resurrected once the clamour dies down, if there is a market for it.
Personally I would question the hygiene of an AirBnB over a hotel, but that's just me.
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29.04.2020, 13:45
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| Quote: | | | | | This shouldn't be celebrated - private people (mostly) invested in a business and might go bust. I stayed many times at AirBnBs, got to meet locals in a way a hotel can't while supporting local economy. The world would be poorer without it. | | | | | It's great for tourists but terrible for the people who live there with so many flats unavailable for what they were originally designated for - Residents.
I've used them and will continue to use them, but I'm a hypocrite chancer who will turn around and complain that there are too many AirBnbs in the town I'm living.
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29.04.2020, 13:52
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Apropos AirBNB, I see another thing that we should rethink in the future. Cheap flights. What purpose do they serve really? You can buy a 50 EUR flight Spain to Poland just for the weekend to grab few beers and spend 60 EUR at some AirBNB. Sure, it's great experience, it's cheap but what value does it bring compared to the pollution we make and destruction of our environment? Make air travel normal price again instead of 10 cheap flights going places we should have 2 normal price one.
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29.04.2020, 14:05
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| Quote: | | | | | Apropos AirBNB, I see another thing that we should rethink in the future. Cheap flights. What purpose do they serve really? You can buy a 50 EUR flight Spain to Poland just for the weekend to grab few beers and spend 60 EUR at some AirBNB. Sure, it's great experience, it's cheap but what value does it bring compared to the pollution we make and destruction of our environment? Make air travel normal price again instead of 10 cheap flights going places we should have 2 normal price one. | | | | | Fair comment, but it has opened up Europe to people who would otherwise be unable to afford it.
I'm obviously talking about the civlised, couples or families, not "We're Boltan! We're barmy! We're on the p1ss tonight!" crowd.
caveat, you can swap Bolton for whatever name doesn't offend you.
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